Alexander Discussion, Round 2: Wait is this the easy mode thread?

[LinktheDeme]

Diff ways to do the debuff as follows

Version 1:
1. healer that dont have healing down debuff, gets tank def down
2. DPS who got damage down go to a meetup spot to exchange with healer with healing down debuff

Version 2:
1. Anyone who doesnt have any form of debuff, can be healer or dps, grab def down from tank
2. healer + dps with healing and dmg down debuff respectively, swaps at meet up point

i personally like version 1 because im lazy and just wanna do deeps

Ideally what you want to do is dedicate one healer (by healer rather than debuffs on the healer) to pick up the damage down debuff and the other to pick up the phys debuff. This way you preplan out which healer is going to focus on DPS and which healer is going to focus on healing taking away an unnecessary variable and creating a constant. Ideally you want your SCH to be DPSing for double hands DPS because bane is strong, so you don't want your scholar to have the damage down debuff. Having your dps run around is a potential dps loss at this point, especially since healers can safely sprint and have no immediate requirement to heal after wash away. The same applies to when the debuffs come out during double hands


Later on in phase four, two damage down debuffs come out opposed to one. What you want to do here is have one healer assigned to each side so people are not confused so both damage downs end up on the healers (prior to this the healers should put on dots though). One of two DPS will not have a debuff these should be the ones picking the debuff off the tanks.


Hope this helps

[Taint]

Does that mean there are a total of 4 debuffs in phase 4?


Thanks for the info, the videos are making way more sense now.

[Judai]

Does that mean there are a total of 4 debuffs in phase 4?


Thanks for the info, the videos are making way more sense now.

in the first couple phases it's 3 debuffs, in the later phases an extra damage down comes out making it 4.

[Kaisha]

I think my group is close on A1S but I think our healers just need to communicate more. We usually lose someone at double prey about half the time (either the prey target or a tank because too much focus on the prey target).

If your tanks aren't popping their CDs to last for the couple of auto-attacks prior to the buster they should start doing so. Alleviates incoming damage, lets healers focus prey before topping the tanks back up for the buster.

Re: A3S. How are folks handling the 3 debuff trading without accidentally passing it to others? You don't really have much time to pass them around before that castbar finishes which locks them onto you. A safe method in my mind would be to just have the folks not involved hang back until the trading is done, or vice versa.

[Kiarax]

You can pop CDs far sooner than that. I pop shadowskin during the missile cast bar and it lasts until after the tank buster. WAR will wanna wait a few seconds to vengeance but they can pop thrill/conv at the same time too. For a3 debuffs people just mark A/B/C around the boss. Have people assigned to go to each (DPS with the damage down goes to C, as does your WHM/AST to pick it up, tank with vuln goes to A or B, as does your SCH to trade with them). People not doing any debuff trading whatsoever just make sure they don't put themselves in the way of it.

[Kipling]

Ideally what you want to do is dedicate one healer (by healer rather than debuffs on the healer) to pick up the damage down debuff and the other to pick up the phys debuff. This way you preplan out which healer is going to focus on DPS and which healer is going to focus on healing taking away an unnecessary variable and creating a constant. Ideally you want your SCH to be DPSing for double hands DPS because bane is strong, so you don't want your scholar to have the damage down debuff. Having your dps run around is a potential dps loss at this point, especially since healers can safely sprint and have no immediate requirement to heal after wash away. The same applies to when the debuffs come out during double hands


Later on in phase four, two damage down debuffs come out opposed to one. What you want to do here is have one healer assigned to each side so people are not confused so both damage downs end up on the healers (prior to this the healers should put on dots though). One of two DPS will not have a debuff these should be the ones picking the debuff off the tanks.


Hope this helps

IT'S ON PERI

[Ramset]

IT'S ON PERI

Upvote.

[Skai]

I think my group is close on A1S but I think our healers just need to communicate more. We usually lose someone at double prey about half the time (either the prey target or a tank because too much focus on the prey target).

I play WHM. Have both healers communicate who get which prey target (I get the top prey and my SCH get the bottom one). Double prey is great time for WHM to utilize Presence of Mind, Tetra and Assize if they're up. And I think someone mentioned this earlier already: Cure prey, Cure tank, Cure prey, then focus tanks. You can essentially stop healing the party (for 15-20 seconds) until the jump after the tank busters so you can focus on the tanks.

Someone made a time line of the abilities the boss uses:

[amadouche]

You can pop CDs far sooner than that. I pop shadowskin during the missile cast bar and it lasts until after the tank buster. WAR will wanna wait a few seconds to vengeance but they can pop thrill/conv at the same time too. For a3 debuffs people just mark A/B/C around the boss. Have people assigned to go to each (DPS with the damage down goes to C, as does your WHM/AST to pick it up, tank with vuln goes to A or B, as does your SCH to trade with them). People not doing any debuff trading whatsoever just make sure they don't put themselves in the way of it.

You can pop Thrill by the missile cast bar, wait two globals, pop Vengeance; both will be up for Plasma

[Seravi Edalborez]

You can pop CDs far sooner than that. I pop shadowskin during the missile cast bar and it lasts until after the tank buster. WAR will wanna wait a few seconds to vengeance but they can pop thrill/conv at the same time too. For a3 debuffs people just mark A/B/C around the boss. Have people assigned to go to each (DPS with the damage down goes to C, as does your WHM/AST to pick it up, tank with vuln goes to A or B, as does your SCH to trade with them). People not doing any debuff trading whatsoever just make sure they don't put themselves in the way of it.

Along same lines with Shadowskin, pop Dark Mind just after the AA after missile cast. Will make it on for royal fount and the buster.

[Taint]

Do the Resin bomb puddles damage the Oppressor?

Yes a pretty dumb question but a good player insist it does.

[holyshoot]

I play WHM. Have both healers communicate who get which prey target (I get the top prey and my SCH get the bottom one). Double prey is great time for WHM to utilize Presence of Mind, Tetra and Assize if they're up. And I think someone mentioned this earlier already: Cure prey, Cure tank, Cure prey, then focus tanks. You can essentially stop healing the party (for 15-20 seconds) until the jump after the tank busters so you can focus on the tanks.

Someone made a time line of the abilities the boss uses:

This isn't entirely accurate unless the time stamps are not counting the cast time?

[Mira]

Do the Resin bomb puddles damage the Oppressor?

Yes a pretty dumb question but a good player insist it does.

No, it just slows it

[Skai]

This isn't entirely accurate unless the time stamps are not counting the cast time?

I think it's not counting casting time. I also didn't checked the times on the chart to see if it matched with the actual encounter, but the pattern is the same nevertheless.

[Edelweiss]

No, it just applies Heavy to it

Slow isn't the same as Heavy, yo.

[Mira]

Whatever

[Destinye]

This isn't entirely accurate unless the time stamps are not counting the cast time?

Considering it's script based, still fairly easy to follow. Followed it today with no issue and it actually helped our new SCH keep up to the vet WHM.

Slow isn't the same as Heavy, yo.

Then again, BLM Garleans can use Haste..so it wouldn't be that big of a stretch.

[Aiurily]

http://pastebin.com/hGzqUcWM

an old pastebin i made about a week ago for a3s last phase rotation

some stuff might be off; doesn't mention the long splashes in one of the rotations

[Arthars]

did with pug group yesterday... got to 10%.....

how the fuck can we make more dps?!?!?!?!? it was 69% after phase 2, so it seem DPS is in check

prolly need alot alot alot more used to last phase to push out DPS numbers...

also the pug used LB3 caster for boss + hands. is that more efficient than LB3 boss you think?

as for last phase debuffs, out of all the various ways the pugs do it for now, since no standard way has been established yet, i think the best way to do it is:
1. tank who got it, go right below boss and wait
2. DPS who didnt get debuff, goes right under boss to wait
3. DPS who got damage down debuff, stay wherever they are and dps the shit out of boss
4. both healers go to the DPSs and grab debuffs/exchange

[Jahaudant]

PUGs can't even do A1 on Sargatanas. My wife insists we shouldn't transfer though...