Alexander Discussion, Round 2: Wait is this the easy mode thread?

[haroldsaxon]

You're semi wrong, Pugs in this game is simple (and I think i'm a good exemple)

If you tell people they are bad, you are automaticly a dick or an elitist

So for pugs in XIV they will always prefer a gimp but gentle player, then a strong player with a dickish attitude

and XI was the opposite iirc, it didn't mather how dickish you were, till you pulled your weight, people took you

Its why I try not to do any content with PUG's. (but inevitably with the roulettes and what not end up being unable to) The entitlement of so many people is outstanding. I don't expect people to be matching me on DPS, but I expect them to at least be competent and at least do half. One of the only ones i've done recently, I had a Monk tell me that I was elitist because I said "Hey X, I think you need to lookup some guides for your class" after they pulled 300 dps compared to my 1200 in the final boss of an expert roulette".

[Jem]

Was a lot easier to carry people in XI though. In most top LS'es I'm sure there was like a core 6-12 people who were very good and then they shoved the remainder on the LS onto the easiest jobs / least important. Which is why shit like Nyzul/Salvage was so good as you could take just the best players!

[lilbubbles]

You know you can be good and elitist without being a dick?

[Almalexia]

I miss the days of a encounters where you could spend 20 minutes recuperating from a near-wipe with nothing but a NIN and a RDM.

Now you can't even scratch your balls without forcing the entire raid to restart. FFXIV is not ball-friendly.

[lilbubbles]

That and many of the highest end players in 11 like me were playing 2, 3, or even more characters at a time.

I don't think I could even play 2 chars at once in a 14 raid

[Kaisha]

I miss the days of a encounters where you could spend 20 minutes recuperating from a near-wipe with nothing but a NIN and a RDM.

Well, when it took hours upon hours to get the shit needed to initiate/pop a fight in XI, I would hope there'd be a means of recovery. I prefer XIV's setup, minus the lack of cooldown resets, vs. waiting 5min on the last person raised to get unweakened.


A3S can still go fuck itself though.

[Niiro]

You know you can be good and elitist without being a dick?

Not when:

"Hey X, I think you need to lookup some guides for your class"

is being a dick.

[Taim Meich]

Yeah, people being oversensitive doesn't help at all. From time to time, you get positive responses, though. I was doing Fractal the other day and the BLM was doing the FIV rotation on double pulls. After the first one I told him "Hey, in case you don't know, the F2 -> Flare rotation is much better on 3+ mobs", expecting of course either silence or some variant of "don't tell me how to play my job". Instead, the guy said "sorry I'm a bit rusty", and immediately changed it for the next pull. He did not do great DPS, but was more than acceptable.

Sad thing is, of course, this is an anecdote rather than the norm.

[lilbubbles]

It's all in how you go about it obviously.

We all run into players beyond the pale with no hope for redemption, but its rare that telling someone they suck and being rude will improve the situation anymore than just leaving will. Often the best you can do is just stay quiet and carry hard. If you're nice and helpful and they think you're a dick, it is out of your hands. No biggie. You don't have to just give up on humanity cause of that guy lol.

[Seravi Edalborez]

BG's been on a downward slope since mid-2012 or so, when XI's playerbase began to slowly dwindle. I miss the days of Advanced where it was constantly active and you had both really good information/theorycrafting, and really good drama.

I mean, there isn't much to theorycraft or have drama about because of the lack of deep content so...

[Shilue]

Not much theory crafting can be done in this game. It's so... Bare... No options.

In ffxi you had the gear swap macros that alone were more in depth than anything 14 has ever seen. Even if you managed to find a little something to theory craft or nit pick its most likely getting nerfed in a month or 2

[Ratatapa]

you have to remember Gear swap macros wern't really game based, I doubt anyone would've been that much specific with the game 6 line macros lol Windower for me made XI last longer, i'm not saying XI would be dead without Windower, but player's would imo get bored faster since there would be less gear farming.

P.S I said windower but mostly meant spellcast

[Shilue]

You want real endgame in ffxiv, try crafting at high levels(and playing the market) and try fishing.

It feels a little more like ffxi
PS I want gear swaps!

[Silenka]

You want real endgame in ffxiv, try crafting at high levels(and playing the market) and try fishing.

It feels a little more like ffxi
PS I want gear swaps!

Too bad gil is almost pointless and if you can craft at high levels you probably don't need to buy anything you can't make anyway.

[Raldo]

you have to remember Gear swap macros wern't really game based, I doubt anyone would've been that much specific with the game 6 line macros lol Windower for me made XI last longer, i'm not saying XI would be dead without Windower, but player's would imo get bored faster since there would be less gear farming.

P.S I said windower but mostly meant spellcast

I got by just fine with my macros that changed my macro pallets so I just had to hit the same macro twice to change all my gear!

[Ratatapa]

I got by just fine with my macros that changed my macro pallets so I just had to hit the same macro twice to change all my gear!

Gj if you were doing precast midcast and others with just xi macros

[Taint]

Gj if you were doing precast midcast and others with just xi macros

3.1 needs to hurry up, already another FFXI run off!

But yes spellcast was the shit, one of my fav parts of 11 was making my own.

[Ramset]

I think I read that 3.1 wasn't even being announced until September

[Ratatapa]

Big patch always been around 3 months, so since release was june so end of september start of october imo

[Carth]

Gives you just enough time to fully gear a job with esoterics.