Alexander Discussion, Round 2: Wait is this the easy mode thread?

[Reasons]

They also have far less to offer as OT in general.

Less then they offer as MT in general of a magical fight?

Back in A4 normal I told every PLD in the group to go OT. I did more damage, I mitigated magical damage better, quarantine flying cut into my dps and the add was physical.
I don't lose sleep either way since I don't play PLD but it seems like the most reasonable place to put them for the fight.

How hard is the blunt resistance? Shelltron/Bullwark can't buy you an extra 3 seconds? (assuming they still hit every 3s).

[Aiurily]

....So just have PLD off tank wtf?
You know PLD handles physical damage better, you know DRK handles magical damage better.
If the team has a PLD throw them OT whats the hoopla about.

If you have a PLD put them where they'll be most effective.
If you don't have a pld then no harm no foul.

because quarantine/straf doll stacks force tank swaps? because they kill slow as shit in quarantine and end up taking more damage than DRK/WAR because they take more stacks because of slow kill speed? because it's not a fight where you can have 1 person MT 99% of the time and the other OT? because the PLD utility that is their biggest draw (halone, veil, clemency) has very little use in A4S so far? because the main boss does a 12k-15k unmitigated magical damage cleave every 20-30s?

this post gave me cancer

Less then they offer as MT in general of a magical fight?

Back in A4 normal I told every PLD in the group to go OT. I did more damage, I mitigated magical damage better, quarantine flying cut into my dps and the add was physical.

because a4 normal=a4 savage right

there's no need to point out obvious things to people who are progressing a4s, you just look like a dumbass talking with inexperience

Quarantine add I thought would be PLDs strong point. Sheltron/Bulwark/Clemency, unless its a DPS check in that chase PLD would be fail.

PLD has the most utility as OT, but the worst DPS. Most of its tool kit seems OT.

you can either have PLD tank a quarantine for 4 stacks if you get caster/ranged dps at a bad time and end up taking the most damage even with sheltron/bulwark/a shield; or get a warrior to maul it down with fell cleaves at 2, maybe 3 stacks, or a DRK to have higher DPS and kill it at 3 stacks. clemency isn't something that should even be have to used in quarantine; the mob should just die before HP is a problem ideally.

[Niiro]

Less then they offer as MT in general of a magical fight?

Back in A4 normal I told every PLD in the group to go OT. I did more damage, I mitigated magical damage better, quarantine flying cut into my dps and the add was physical.

If the argument for not offering enough as OT is that they offer even less as MT, that's when you know there's a problem.

[Reasons]

because quarantine/straf doll stacks force tank swaps? because they kill slow as shit in quarantine and end up taking more damage than DRK/WAR because they take more stacks because of slow kill speed? because it's not a fight where you can have 1 person MT 99% of the time and the other OT? because the PLD utility that is their biggest draw (halone, veil, clemency) has very little use in A4S so far?

this post gave me cancer

You get cancer rather easily. Good luck with that.

because a4 normal=a4 savage right

I don't believe I ever said they were equal.
I stated what I did in a4 normal when a PLD was present.

there's no need to point out obvious things to people who are progressing a4s, you just look like a dumbass talking with inexperience

No one was insulted, no one was attacked. I said why have a PLD MT when the dolls are the only thing to play to its niche.
If something that trivial gives you cancer, im surprised you have survived past infancy with such a melodramatic susceptibility to illness

If the argument for not offering enough as OT is that they offer even less as MT, that's when you know there's a problem.

It's not an argument. A person brings a PLD into A4S. They're thinking of what to do with their tanks.
Manipulator deals magical damage, tethers are magical, orbs are magical, Dolls are physical. Putting them as OT makes sense, but all the backlash here is implicating that it makes more sense to put them as MT to have the DRK/WAR kill the doll.

Must every question asked be an argument? (<- well then I suppose that makes that an argument).

[Carth]

If the argument for not offering enough as OT is that they offer even less as MT, that's when you know there's a problem.

Even further PLD's OT utility is mostly garbage.

It's not an argument. A person brings a PLD into A4S. They're thinking of what to do with their tanks.
Manipulator deals magical damage, tethers are magical, orbs are magical, Dolls are physical. Putting them as OT makes sense, but all the backlash here is implicating that it makes more sense to put them as MT to have the DRK/WAR kill the doll.

These are all irrelevant points. There is no OT in A4S. Both tanks have to share their roles and both have to be equipped to deal damage and survive. PLD is several notches worse than WAR and DRK due to have abyssmal burst DPS for Quarantine add and having average mitigation on adds and bosses. Their only firm utility is stunning the leg.

[Reasons]

These are all irrelevant points. There is no OT in A4S. Both tanks have to share their roles and both have to be equipped to deal damage and survive. PLD is several notches worse than WAR and DRK due to have abyssmal burst DPS for Quarantine add and having average mitigation on adds and bosses. Their only firm utility is stunning the leg.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Aiurily]

there's no fight in savage where there's a dominant MT & OT role that isn't forced by tank swaps. in a1s you spend maybe 70 seconds at the start of the fight doing that; the rest of the fight is split tanking. a2s is split tanking. a3s you spend, again, maybe 2 minutes of the fight at the start with a MT & OT; then split tanking for hands, and once last phase starts, its tank swapping the whole way through. a4s has quarantine/straf dolls for tank swaps

what's dumb isn't the idea; if there were no tank swaps that would a slightly logical choice (but then you'd still rotate tanks for the sake of using tank cds effectively. and then, quarantine is still best handled by WAR/DRK, leaving the PLD to to MT. so again, this is a pretty bad point still in the end.)

what's dumb is talking about it with 0 context of the encounter and trying to advocate a retarded solution, with 0 context of the encounter once again. or really, any context of savage at all. it's basically on the same level of dumb that people would expect from the OF.

[Taint]

Is there any situation in savage where two WARs are not ideal?

[Carth]

PLD/WAR vs Faust I guess.

[Kipling]

Another thing to keep in mind about PLD in A4S is that when the PLD needs to stun the proper leg for Perpetual Ray, it costs them 150 TP. With the other 2 tanks, it's off GCD and free.

It might seem small, but it adds up incredibly.

[Hioki]

Is there any situation in savage where two WARs are not ideal?

When you want to confirm the enrage timer.

[Edelweiss]

PLD/WAR vs Faust I guess.

wat

I mean, I don't know if you could really even argue against dual WAR or DRK/WAR even back at Week 1.

When you want to confirm the enrage timer.

Ha.

[Taint]

When you want to confirm the enrage timer.

Wat? All the speed kills use 2 WARs.


Fastest A1s

http://i.imgur.com/BIGICW9.png

Fastest A2s

http://puu.sh/jR7sk/c5e0b0030d.png

Fastest A3s

http://puu.sh/jS985/f89a193c6f.png

[Neon_Sea]

woosh

[Kaixin]

GET WOOSHED BRO

[Hioki]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_2K2hqyIfSs/hqdefault.jpg

[Taint]

I clicked his profile, saw a PLD main and bit hard lol

[Carth]

wat

I mean, I don't know if you could really even argue against dual WAR or DRK/WAR even back at Week 1.

I'm just spit balling for the sake of argument.

[Dotsudoku]

If it hasn't been said, and armed with no knowledge of A4S, I can't stand MTing A4 if only because you run TP dry pitifully quickly. Fights that you can't block anything are fucking obnoxious

[Hitoseijuro]

Is there any situation in savage where two WARs are not ideal?

When you want to confirm the enrage timer.

Well played Sir