Alexander Discussion, Round 2: Wait is this the easy mode thread?

[Ramset]

Just curious, did JP community feel the same about "ignore gimmick" methods of old coil stuff?

-T2 enrage
-T5 divebomb pit (was there another universally understood way to fucking do this)
-T6 LoS method
-T7 stacking Renauds
-T9 ... does mario kart meteors count?
-Ifrit EX LoSing Inferno Howl
-Ramuh EX, tanking with Titan-Egi (for while it lasted) or solo tanking.

More I'm probably forgetting, but I'm curious what the perception of bruteforcing or ignoring mechanics is.

My personal favorite for DF idiots:

- T2 enrage burn

[Arthars]

Just curious, did JP community feel the same about "ignore gimmick" methods of old coil stuff?

-T5 divebomb pit (was there another universally understood way to fucking do this)
seriously not sure about this but thats still dealing mechanics right tho, moving together to focus 1 dive path, just not sure if peep do at other places except "that pit"
-T6 LoS method
JP in general dont do the LOS, in fact it took me 10 mins to understand wtf is LOS method for raffle.... all the pugs do it properly
-T7 stacking Renauds
This method is mainly dependant on the SMN, if he can do it, do it, if not, just make sure the other 7 dont suffer for it
-T9 ... does mario kart meteors count?
mario cart is actually taken from divebomb
-Ifrit EX LoSing Inferno Howl
wtf is this shit lol
-Ramuh EX, tanking with Titan-Egi (for while it lasted) or solo tanking.
this got fixed so no one prolly knew or remember who exploited this

More I'm probably forgetting, but I'm curious what the perception of bruteforcing or ignoring mechanics is.

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Also you forgot the famous "Disco ball" in turn 2, which is the same principle people are bringing up for lucrezia's tactic now
some feel its cheating, but some feel "because SE didnt fix it, its fine"

mixed community now

hell even my static got people saying, "idc wat we do, just clear it so we can all gather just 1 day instead of 5-7"

[Ratatapa]

My personal favorite for DF idiots:

- T2 enrage burn

Why did you bring that back?

I had forgotten about it, now i'm sad

[Ratatapa]

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Also you forgot the famous "Disco ball" in turn 2, which is the same principle people are bringing up for lucrezia's tactic now
some feel its cheating, but some feel "because SE didnt fix it, its fine"

mixed community now

hell even my static got people saying, "idc wat we do, just clear it so we can all gather just 1 day instead of 5-7"

Ifrit EX when he 'spits the bomb' on the healer, if the healer cross Ifrit aka LOS, the spit will 'miss' and no one will have it until next time it's cast

[Arthars]

i havent never seen anyone do that lol, same as raffle LoS tactic, never seen it before in any pug (i got 3 mule back then so 3 x pugs a week)

[Ratatapa]

Ifrit one let you go single healer with that method, but imo it wasn't popular, and you wouldn't see that in JP because NA are cheap.

and tbh the Ifrit LOS thing was as hard imo to do as the Ultros/Typhoon Jumping trick in the Trial (btw did JP find that as cheating?)

[Kipling]

Honestly if SE hasn't fixed it (and they've known about these kills for weeks, since they can watch internally) it means they know they fucked up. I assume their thought process went like this:

"Well no one is going to kill 6 people to Royal Pentacle just to avoid juggling Nisi..."

Then players figure out you can run through 2 before dying each due to server lag, making it only 3 people.

As such, they probably won't fix it just like they didn't fix turn 2 because it's their fault. I still have no idea why they fixed Turn 12 bane bug though, and then they embrace it in A2S, lol.

[Ratatapa]

I though they didn't fix T2 because we were near the end of First coil?

[Kipling]

I though they didn't fix T2 because we were near the end of First coil?

Yoshi P. commented on it being a "strategy" that they didn't anticipate. With T12 they just straight up changed the effect even though it invalidated a lot less of the fight.

[Niiro]

I'm pretty sure the vuln effect in T12 was absurd and it pretty much cut off multiple bennus for you....

[Kipling]

I'm pretty sure the vuln effect in T12 was absurd and it pretty much cut off multiple bennus for you....

It only cut off one. It made most groups who weren't running double MNK in week 0 be able to go from 4 bennus to 5.

[Niiro]

5 to 4*?

And the difference between 5 bennus and 4 is....a pretty massive difference.

[Kipling]

5 to 4*?

And the difference between 5 bennus and 4 is....a pretty massive difference.

Sure, but it's not "multiple bennus". It made the add phase easier, but you still had to do the mechanics, you just spent less time in the add phase.

[Niiro]

Because that's not massively easing both a mechanic and a DPS check.

[Kipling]

Because that's not massively easing both a mechanic and a DPS check.

If you read my original post you'll see that I am comparing how T2 enrage went unfixed, but T12 bane exploit was fixed ASAP. The point is one makes the fight easier, but you still have to do the fight. With T2 enrage, it literally invalidates all mechanics. I'm just confused as to why SE drew the line for one but not the other, ya know?

[Niiro]

By the time T2 enrage was discovered and made possible by gear the fight was old news anyway, T12 exploit was used by the first groups to clear.

[Kipling]

Sacing Royal Pentacle was used by the first groups to clear A4S. If they haven't patched it/aren't going to patch it it's going to feel like SE's sense of judgment in terms of what should/shouldn't be fixed is ridiculously all over the place.

[Niiro]

You're just now realizing this?

[Destinye]

Sacing Royal Pentacle was used by the first groups to clear A4S. If they haven't patched it/aren't going to patch it it's going to feel like SE's sense of judgment in terms of what should/shouldn't be fixed is ridiculously all over the place.

It's proportionate to the amount of bitching on the OF to be honest. Considering not even 1% will touch Alex 4 savage 4 they'll sooner start "fixing" the normal mode.

[Kipling]

You're just now realizing this?

I'm just bitching about it, that's all. It's disappointing that they're obviously not testing all of the fights. So far they've been decent about learning from their mistakes, it's just disappointing that it happened on the final fight of the first expansion tier (especially considering how much of an amazing fight A3S was). I'm not blaming the groups at all, they did what they had to do. The blame rests entirely on SE for this one.

It's proportionate to the amount of bitching on the OF to be honest. Considering not even 1% will touch Alex 4 savage 4 they'll sooner start "fixing" the normal mode.

You're probably right.