Escha - Ru'Aun thread

[Damane]

I just got home from work to this:

00:48:21{Apururu} Bad news! Have you heard of Naga Raja? Well they say he's appeared in Escha - Ru'Aun (H-9) and seems very upsetaru!
00:51:55{Apururu} Thank goodness! It looks like that naughty-waughty Naga Raja in Escha - Ru'Aun is no more. And it looks like our girl got away just fine-wine.

And the previous Naga Raja pop:

22:28:51{Apururu} Bad news! Have you heard of Naga Raja? Well they say he's appeared in Escha - Ru'Aun (H-9) and seems very upsetaru!
22:33:50{Apururu} I hear that old Naga Raja in Escha - Ru'Aun is at 64% HP as we speak-weak.
22:37:17{Apururu} Thank goodness! It looks like that naughty-waughty Naga Raja in Escha - Ru'Aun is no more. And it looks like our girl got away just fine-wine.


How the fuck did that thing get killed in 3-4 minutes?

happens during peak hours in JP prime fairly quick, its usually over in 3-4 minutes with lots of people calling trusts, have 30 people with 398230923 trusts = dead fast

[Lyramion]

dead fast

The only thing preventing it from getting raped even faster is the time it flies.

[Helldemon]

Anyone have a list of all the temp items available?

Instant Reraise
Daedalus Wing
Catholicon
Megalixir
Barbarian's Drink
Fighter's Drink
Oracle's Drink
Assassin's Drink
Spy's Drink
Braver's Drink
Soldier's Drink
Champion's Drink
Monarch's Drink
Gnostic's Drink
Cleric's Drink
Sprinter's Drink
Lucid Potion I/II/III
Lucid Ether I/II/III
Lucid Elixir I
Lucid Wings I
Healing Salve I/II
Clear Salve I/II
Savior's Tonic
Mirror's Tonic
Moneta's Tonic
Steadfast Tonic
Eschan Droplets

[Dexter1986]

Anyone got any pricing numbers for Voodoo Cuisses?

[dasva]

It's going to vary a bit by server but I would expect something of the lines of 18-20 times the losses of each nq. To get a cost estimate of how much each synth costs you can figure out based on your servers prices the cost it takes to make a Cursed Cuisses -1 (which should be about the cost to do that synth ~16 times minus npc price for those nqs) plus an eschite ore.

That recipe seems fairly cheap so a rough estimate based on my server would probably be 1.28 mil per final synth so even if nqs didn't sell for anything you are probably looking at a little over 20 mil

[Lolwutt]

You're paying for the time invested gathering ~290 dragon blood and ~580 wyvern scales. On most servers, that's 4+ months of exclusively claiming every one to pop on the AH.

If you synth using NQ as well, cost shoots up to an expected 45-50m loss to produce a -1.

Anything below 70m is an insult for voodoo cuisses.

[dasva]

There is talk in the crafting section about fairly easy farmer of scales. Apparently Nanaa Mihgo trust can despoil them with over 50% rate.

Haven't see too much info on blood but there was always Nightmare Bats and Dahaks that dropped it. Other wiki says they can be despoiled from some mobs in sao zones so it might be fairly farmable too

[Kyreth]

Just as a note: I went and picked off most of the RoE's for Escha Ru'Ann- after 8 (but before finishing all of them) I ended up with a new Acc/Racc vorseal popping up. My first one, actually. Wasn't killing large amounts either, just the minimum 10 to get the RoE done before moving on to the next. Checked when vorseals wore off partway through and bang, new seal.

And yeah, Despoiling off the drakes near Monarch Linn is a good supply of wyvern scales. You can always call, trigger a Despoil off Nanaa, and release/recall to reset her timer- or if you're on Thief, naturally you can do it yourself as well. Empy AF3 109/119 legs are nice for that.

Edit: For people who like capacity points with their farming, Echo Bats in Sih Gates or Tenebrous Obdellas (leeches) in Cirdas have dragon blood as well as a potential Despoil.

[Lyramion]

Confirming 100% that the Expeditioary Force title gives MACC +1 Vorseal. Still sitting at only 7/7 tho now. Did the one in Vollbow which has no level cap.

[Lolwutt]

There is talk in the crafting section about fairly easy farmer of scales. Apparently Nanaa Mihgo trust can despoil them with over 50% rate.

Haven't see too much info on blood but there was always Nightmare Bats and Dahaks that dropped it. Other wiki says they can be despoiled from some mobs in sao zones so it might be fairly farmable too

Yea, you can farm scales at a rate of 8-12 an hour. At 12 scales an hour, that's 49 hours of work. Add in the cost of eschite ore, obtaining dragon blood, etc. Anyone can farm 1M/hr, I'll stick with 'anything less than 70m is an insult'.

[Lyramion]

+1 DEF vorseal from completing any of the Beastman hat quests.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/A_Generous_General%3F etc

[Protey]

There is talk in the crafting section about fairly easy farmer of scales. Apparently Nanaa Mihgo trust can despoil them with over 50% rate.

Haven't see too much info on blood but there was always Nightmare Bats and Dahaks that dropped it. Other wiki says they can be despoiled from some mobs in sao zones so it might be fairly farmable too

For my bloods I spammed Early Bird Catches the Wyrm, Fafnir, Nidhogg. They drop dragon hearts at a good rate. Synth them into 4+ bloods.

[Protey]

Yea, you can farm scales at a rate of 8-12 an hour. At 12 scales an hour, that's 49 hours of work. Add in the cost of eschite ore, obtaining dragon blood, etc. Anyone can farm 1M/hr, I'll stick with 'anything less than 70m is an insult'.

Yea, it's not like people are spamming VW anymore so the supply of scales is low. So you are pretty much having to spend countless hours farming these.

[dasva]

Yea, you can farm scales at a rate of 8-12 an hour. At 12 scales an hour, that's 49 hours of work. Add in the cost of eschite ore, obtaining dragon blood, etc. Anyone can farm 1M/hr, I'll stick with 'anything less than 70m is an insult'.

Can't you do it faster by desummoning and resummoning Nanaa? Plus getting a little bit out of your own despoil? Can always desynth the NQ cuisse too. Granted HQ2 isn't the greatest but it's T2 so it's not too horrible.

Anyways ok I'll use the opportunity cost of 1mil an hour vs 12 scales an hour that's 166,666 add bloods (which sell fairly often if you count hearts) round up the cost per cuisses to 200k so assuming 1/16 HQ rate (probably higher now with rings and food and such) roughly 3.2 million per +1. Add in another 200k for ore (my server) and you get around 3.4 mil per synth assuming again assuming 1/16 hq rate you are looking at around 54.4 mil don't see any sales for nqs on ffxiah and bazaars are widely ranging but it seems likely that you'd probably be able to get on average 300k for the nqs so the HQ would costs around 50 mil net gil/opportunity costs to make. Guess it depends on how much profit you want to make and how much you can actually charge after that... 20 mil isn't too unreasonable but then I get I hear people bitching about how alchemist are greedy for not taking a bigger loss on nqs with almaric set (and yeah last I checked the NQs were a loss over here) as the cursed sets even. So kind of really depends on your server and what you will be able to charge. Personally I'm just making stuff for myself and hoping to minimize the costs by selling nqs/extras. I've been told some of the souveran is going for around 70mil but most of them are costing more like 4+ mil per synth so not sure how well that will do money wise

For my bloods I spammed Early Bird Catches the Wyrm, Fafnir, Nidhogg. They drop dragon hearts at a good rate. Synth them into 4+ bloods.

Yeah that's what I did back in the day for skilling up... but I figured some people might balk at considering BCNMs a source of mats even if it is pretty decent.

[Byrthnoth]

I'm unwilling to run between the wyvern camps and max out at about 8 scales per hour as a result (at the Ignidrakes near the HP). 16 minute repop time + Nanaa Mihgo seems to despoil only something near 1/3 of the time (triggered between 40 and 50% HP - 112 despoils in 381 kills) if it is up and is successful ~75% of the time (84 handfuls in 112 despoils). I encounter shy of 28 drakes per hour in my lazycamp, so she's good for about 7 handfuls of wyvern scales per hour. Additionally, I have about a 10% despoil rate myself (10 handfuls in 105 despoils), which I use only on ones where Nanaa has either failed or chosen not to Despoil. I can use Despoil about 10 times per hour, so that adds about 1 handful of wyvern scales/hr.

In practice, as you can see from the ratio of my despoils to Nanaa's, I really afk a lot and only end up with about 4 scales per hour. She's using it about once every 5 minutes for me, which works out to 3 handful per hour from her and 1 handful per hour from me.


FTR. Half of my despoils were at 100% HP and half of them were <20% HP and I saw no difference in the success rate. 3/39 vs. 7/66 respectively.


Carmine crap should be ridiculously expensive given how hard it is to make.

[Lolwutt]

300k a pop for NQs is reasonable, but you'd have trouble selling 15 of them. Keep in mind 272 crafts also takes a minimum of 2 hours if you have perfect organization and synth nonstop. 1M/hour is a bare minimum figure thrown out to compare to people farming dynamis or salvage.

At 70M, you're basically saying the crafter's time, effort, and gamble against the random number generator is worth no more per hour than farming dynamis and throwing a bazaar up.

I don't see why it's such a hard concept, there's a lot more than AH material cost involved in producing one of these. You also have potential to go 500+ cursed synths without seeing one, which means having 100m+ invested without a payout. In reality, I'm sure you could pull over 100m for any piece of carmine.

[BerenTebogo]

You will not get more than 50m for any piece of carmine besides hq legs, if you are stupidly lucky.

The set is garbage, no matter how much time you put into it. People aren't going to pay for garbage when there is stuff worth paying for around.

Not okay with that? Stick it to the man and don't craft any, or only craft for yourself.

[NynJa]

And Blood Cuisses were better than Crimson Cuisses?

There will always be people looking for that white box.

[BerenTebogo]

And Blood Cuisses were better than Crimson Cuisses?

There will always be people looking for that white box.

The HQ legs are more movement speed than NQ, so there is demand.

If you think people are going to waste their gil on 70+m HQ carmine on not-legs instead of any other voodoo pieces then sure, whatever. Despoil and craft all you like.

If people are rich enough to throw gil away on carmine HQ for mages, they're rich enough to be using that gil for HQ amalric. That leaves maybe some PLDs, BLUs, and RNGs who are absurdly rich but don't want adhemar +1, aka just leaves PLDs.

Yes there will always be the select handful who will pay for anything whitebox. Again, if your time is best spendt farming scales and trying to land that niche market instead of farming squama / defiant sweats, nobody is going to stop you.

Still stupid as fuck though.

[Protey]

I'm just trying to make the voodoo cuisses for myself, fuck everyone else. Too much of a pain. 0/18 using cuisses -1 is killing me.