Escha - Ru'Aun thread

[DirtyWattz]

There's still a few unconfirmed requirements, especially since there are somewhat random quests and achievements.

My friend has 8/8 MAB while no one seems to have 8/8 Attack yet. 8/8 Mdef seems to be the most common ones people have (I was basically 8/8 Mdef when I cleared the Ru'aun NMs) yet JP Wiki only knows of 6 sources.

[Protey]

I, and several in my LS are 4/4 and have never killed Kirin. There is another source for the 4th Rare Enemy+. Thats what I mean. unless they added a 5th Rare Enemy+ vorseal, its already possible to get 4/4

You've never killed the original Kirin? o.O

[Snprphnx]

You've never killed the original Kirin? o.O

Oh, thought you meant the new Kirin. Yes, I have killed lvl 75 Kirin. My mistake.

[Lyramion]

I ment the new Kirin however. 5/5 is the new known cap for rare monster vorseal. Still have to find out AV and AAs however so could be even more.

[Protey]

I ment the new Kirin however. 5/5 is the new known cap for rare monster vorseal. Still have to find out AV and AAs however so could be even more.

I'm thinking the AAs and AV will give the 3 remaining stats and occ ignores damage, damage taken, and killer effects.

[Kanriel]

There's still a few unconfirmed requirements, especially since there are somewhat random quests and achievements.

My friend has 8/8 MAB while no one seems to have 8/8 Attack yet. 8/8 Mdef seems to be the most common ones people have (I was basically 8/8 Mdef when I cleared the Ru'aun NMs) yet JP Wiki only knows of 6 sources.

Aren't the mini-addons (Shantotto's/Moogle's/etc.) giving MAB/MDEF/Macc ones? Mighty be why it's more common, the attack one may be more obscure.

[Lyramion]

Here is a JP blogging about their Kouryu win:

http://nonoco.blog.shinobi.jp/





... also no news on AAs yet !

[Byrthnoth]

I hate to go all unscientific about this shit, but I swear there's something more to popping the lotto NMs than just killing a shitton of monsters. I've made a few observations since reactivating:
1) AoE killing does not increase pop rates proportional to the number of mobs you pull. - For instance, you can AoE kill 20 Zdei/pull all day and never pop Temperance. I have dramatically better luck pulling 20, AoEing them to 20%, and then meleeing them to death.
2) My Black Mage, for whatever reason, is essentially unable to pop these NMs when playing normally. When I'm just disengaged nuking, the only NM I've ever popped is Porxie (N=~40 JPs). If I melee mobs, my BLM has about the same pop rate as my dancer (N=~40JPs, including a run of 5 pops in 22 PH kills). Someone please tell me I'm crazy, because I hate engaging on BLM.

[nivlakian]

I hate to go all unscientific about this shit, but I swear there's something more to popping the lotto NMs than just killing a shitton of monsters. I've made a few observations since reactivating:
1) AoE killing does not increase pop rates proportional to the number of mobs you pull. - For instance, you can AoE kill 20 Zdei/pull all day and never pop Temperance. I have dramatically better luck pulling 20, AoEing them to 20%, and then meleeing them to death.
2) My Black Mage, for whatever reason, is essentially unable to pop these NMs when playing normally. When I'm just disengaged nuking, the only NM I've ever popped is Porxie (N=~40 JPs). If I melee mobs, my BLM has about the same pop rate as my dancer (N=~40JPs, including a run of 5 pops in 22 PH kills). Someone please tell me I'm crazy, because I hate engaging on BLM.

I can't comment on #1, but as a geo, I've never engaged any mob and I've popped prudence, loyalty, mercy, and dignity 5+ times each.

[FaeQueenCory]

I ment the new Kirin however. 5/5 is the new known cap for rare monster vorseal. Still have to find out AV and AAs however so could be even more.

Not doubting you, but both Geas Fete page and overall chart lack the Kirin vorseal, where you see that? (I can't find it is all)

Since people are having issues counting on the escha page, here's a vomit of what we know:

HP/MP: 1~8 various stages of random Eschan mobs. I think the only two we know are 100 and 500/0? (idr what the 5*# was) Current Total: 8
Acc/Racc/Eva: San d'Oria Missions, S San d'Oria MissionQuests, Angrboda, Wepwawet, Bia, Wasserpeier (missing 2) Current Total: 8
Def: Bastok Missions, S Bastok MissionQuests, A beastmen hat quest, Cunnast, Lustful Lydia, Emputa, Ruea (missing 1) Current Total: 8
Atk/Ratk: Windurst Missions, S Windurst MissionQuests, Aglaophotis, Revetaur, Ma, Peirithoos (missing 2) Current Total: 8
Macc/Meva: ACP Missions, An Expeditionary Force completion, NM status in Monstrosity, Ferrodon, Tangata Manu, Khon, Asida (missing 1) Current Total: 8
MDB: AMK Missions, Gulltop, Vidala, Met, Tenodera (missing 3) Current Total: 8
MAB: ASA Missions, All 10 Nantoto quests, Gestalt, Vyala, Khun, Sava Savanovic (missing 2) Current Total: 8
DEX/AGI: A!Altepa Quests, Brittlis, Ionos, Amymone, Palila, Byakko (missing 1) Current Total: 7 (we were missing one before Byakko et all was added, their list given was only for the August update. They even went back and added a disclaimer for that.)
STR/VIT: A!Uleguerand Quests, Kamohoalii, Sensual Sandy, Hanbi, Naphula, Genbu (missing 1) Current Total: 7
INT/MND/CHR: A!Grauberg Quests, Nosoi, Umdhlbi, Kammavaca, Yilan, Seiryu (missing 1) Current Total: 7
Occ0Dmg: Fleetstalker+Pakecet Current Total: 2
Killer+: Duke Vepar+Shockmaw Current Total: 2
DT: Urmahlulu+Vir'ava Current Total: 2
Spoils+: 1~8 get one after defeating a certain number of NMs... No one seems to recall anything specific, but I remember opening the first one after clearing almost all the ZiTah T1s, and then the second after clearing the Ru'Aun T1s and Zi'Tah T2s. Chances are they're like regen/hp+mp/refresh.... to get that 8, it's gonna be something stupid.
Rare Enemy+: WotG Missions, Kirin (missing 3) Current Total: 5 (I have 4/4, no Kirin... I *think* the two others come from RoV.... but they could just as well have come from elsewhere. I wasn't looking at them when I was progressing. smh)
Luck+: Try to kill yourself in I'm On A Boat Quest, RoV1 Missions, RoV2 Missions, Death Rabbit Current Total: 4
Regen: 1~8 all Azi Dahaka... 1st one upon first kill... then it gets exponentially stupid.
Refresh: 1~8 all Naga Raja... 1st one upon first kill... then it gets exponentially stupid.

Since Kirin is apparently Rare Enemy+, it's likely IMO that the AAs+AV will give out a third level to the T3 GFNMs' vorseals, as well as the final set of stat vorseals.
Though they could be saving that for Reisen Island Island....
(If I were designing it, I'd place them: MR=Killer+, EV=DT, TT=INT/MND/CHR, GK=STR/VIT, HM=DEX/AGI, AV=Occ0Dmg)


EDIT: we also don't know what RotZ, CoP, ToAU, six of the 9 Abyssean zone Quests, and SoA contribute... Aside from the Abyssean quests, most people who would care to investigate, already have those missions completed, and those who don't likely are too new to be watching... or they don't care about missions at all. (I'd also wager that clearing Shinryu and completing the Abyssea missionquestline would unlock something.)

[dasva]

I hate to go all unscientific about this shit, but I swear there's something more to popping the lotto NMs than just killing a shitton of monsters. I've made a few observations since reactivating:
2) My Black Mage, for whatever reason, is essentially unable to pop these NMs when playing normally. When I'm just disengaged nuking, the only NM I've ever popped is Porxie (N=~40 JPs). If I melee mobs, my BLM has about the same pop rate as my dancer (N=~40JPs, including a run of 5 pops in 22 PH kills). Someone please tell me I'm crazy, because I hate engaging on BLM.

I think some people just have bad luck. I've done a decent amount of cping up there before last update and have only popped like 3 porxie. I've been engaging on my main on each and sicking pets on it pets are always getting the kills so it can't be that the person getting the kills needs to be engaged

[Sechs]

NM status in Monstrosity

I already reported it's not.
To unlock that one I only had to bring a monster to 30 unlocking a new race (which makes sense with the original jp hint).
As soon as I got that I had a new vorseal available.
No Belligerancy whatsoever.

[Lyramion]

Not doubting you, but both Geas Fete page and overall chart lack the Kirin vorseal, where you see that? (I can't find it is all)

It's here:

http://wiki.ffo.jp/html/33740.html

Spoiler: show

Some new Quests JP wiki lists for Vorseal:

Accuracy:
- A Discerning Eye - any of them for example https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/A_Discerning_Eye_(Kazham)

DEF:
- https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Hypnotic_Hospitality

[Sechs]

Some new Quests JP wiki lists for Vorseal:

Accuracy:
- A Discerning Eye - any of them for example https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/A_Discerning_Eye_(Kazham)

This can't be.
Atm we know 6 levels for Accuracy:
San d'Oria Missions, S San d'Oria MissionQuests, Angrboda, Wepwawet, Bia, Wasserpeier

I have all 6 of the above and I have only 6/6 accuracy.
I also have "A discerning eye (Bastok)" complete, so either you need them all or something else, but completing 1 quest alone is not enough.
Or maybe it unlocks something other than accuracy and it's a typo?


Edit:
Completed the Windurst one as well.

[Lyramion]

I also have "A discerning eye (Bastok)" complete, so either you need them all or something else, but completing 1 quest alone is not enough.
Or maybe it unlocks something other than accuracy and it's a typo?
Edit:
Completed the Windurst one as well.

Upon closer inspection it says "5 times (wherever)". That might be the solution then.

[Sechs]

Means I need to do 3 more, I'll test and see.
Thanks meanwhile!

[fantasticdan]

I hate to go all unscientific about this shit, but I swear there's something more to popping the lotto NMs than just killing a shitton of monsters. I've made a few observations since reactivating:
1) AoE killing does not increase pop rates proportional to the number of mobs you pull. - For instance, you can AoE kill 20 Zdei/pull all day and never pop Temperance. I have dramatically better luck pulling 20, AoEing them to 20%, and then meleeing them to death.
2) My Black Mage, for whatever reason, is essentially unable to pop these NMs when playing normally. When I'm just disengaged nuking, the only NM I've ever popped is Porxie (N=~40 JPs). If I melee mobs, my BLM has about the same pop rate as my dancer (N=~40JPs, including a run of 5 pops in 22 PH kills). Someone please tell me I'm crazy, because I hate engaging on BLM.

I rarely engage cleaving them on blu (only to get buffs from trusts really) and I've popped dozens and dozens of wardens on it, including hope + love at the same time.

[NynJa]

Upon closer inspection it says "5 times (wherever)". That might be the solution then.

Maybe you just need the title "Very Discerning Individual"?

[fantasticdan]

You need regular "discerning individual" which is from completing the quest 5x.

[Terravcota]

I just got HP/MP level 7 on my main. She has 9022 Eschan mob kills. Mules don't have it yet - 7926 and 8182.