Race Relations in the US

[Andalusian girls]

the obvious difference between Asian-Americans and the other significant minority groupings is that they are primarily legal immigrants, if not the best and brightest of their countries at least good and somewhat shiny, capable of attaining citizenship and transversing the Pacific. as Archi points out their wealth formation is a relatively recent phenomenon, when poor Chinese laborers faced universal discrimination as they were blown apart on railroads and numbed themselves with opium few were talking about the remarkable Asian commitment to education. the modern Asian experience stands in stark contrast to poor and desperate Latinos cramming twenty people into the back of a van for a cartel-controlled border run, or the enslavement and subsequent institutional repression (a repression lifted only in the 1960s) experienced by the black population. and i wonder where Amerindians would place on that chart but i suspect very low

what does it say about this place that the feminist thread is a thread dedicated to attacking feminism and the race thread is mostly populated by white people mocking other white people over perceived white guilt. the data is overwhelming that the society we live in is neither egalitarian nor equitable but when Archi dare bring it up he's treated like a race traitor; as though the color of his skin ought prevent him from speaking on injustice done to others, or when so doing precludes a motivation other than one pathetic and pitiable

[Koul]

I'll care about feminism/race when we're actually able to talk about it honestly. Not give opposing views or trying to find reasons for X issues and them be deemed misogynistic because I don't coddle someones precious wittle feelings on the subject.

The hot heads on these topics have absolutely zero wiggle room. It's either you agree 100 bajillion % or you're absolute trash. The safe-space-snapping-because-clapping-is-triggering-outrage-ALL-THE-TIME-AT-EVERYTHING-check-your-privilege cocksuckery I see I will always roll my eyes at. No, I will not check my privilege. No, I will not give in to bullshit white guilt and yes I will mock people that give into such ridiculous things because it is just that. Ridiculous. The conversation ends if there isn't mutual respect and feminists/race-baiters don't have respect for even just a smhidge of disagreement.

Sorry, if I'm going to doubt a bar graph that could have a bunch of societal reasons that the listed culture places on itself for it's short-comings.

[Charismatic]

I like how he tossed the feminism bit in there like its even tangentially related.
Koul took the bait.

Please, lets not try to conflate two very very distinct issues.

[archibaldcrane]

The safe-space-snapping-because-clapping-is-triggering-outrage-ALL-THE-TIME-AT-EVERYTHING-check-your-privilege cocksuckery I see I will always roll my eyes at.

So, you got worked with your bad racist assumptions about Asian wealth and you're back for more?

Who in this thread, on this forum, is behaving in the manner you describe above? Toss another strawman on the barbie if you like but it's not a valid argument here.

[archibaldcrane]

You could almost say that BG is a safe space for entitled men to bash feminism without fear of being challenged by feminist women!

[Charismatic]

You'd be lying through your teeth though.
No one's even able to stop them from saying whatever they wanted if they so chose.

This is also completely irrelevant to this thread.

[thetruepandagod]

You could almost say that BG is a safe space for entitled men to bash feminism without fear of being challenged by feminist women!

Only because of our harrowing escape from the rule of Isladar.

[BerenTebogo]

Only because of our harrowing escape from the rule of Isladar.

Liberal Arts education: not even once.

[archibaldcrane]

Liberal Arts education: not even once.

Hay fuck you buddy

BFA/MA represent!

[BaneTheBrawler]

I'll remember that next time one of you cries about the infractions I hand out.

This is pretty off-topic, though. Please focus on race. We already have threads both for Feminism and mocking the overly-PC stuff.

[Zetanio]

Is mod privilege like white privilege?

Discuss.

[Moss]

the data is overwhelming that the society we live in is neither egalitarian nor equitable but when Archi dare bring it up he's treated like a race traitor; as though the color of his skin ought prevent him from speaking on injustice done to others, or when so doing precludes a motivation other than one pathetic and pitiable

yeah idgi, if you think his graph is bullshit then argue it on its merits. no one has brought much of a case as to why it is misrepresentative

[archibaldcrane]

I posted it simply to show how badly blacks and hispanics are faring even with an education. People are apparently arguing (against thin air?) that it's not a "smoking gun that racism exists" or something - I'll leave them to clarify what they mean.

[NynJa]

Is this thread limited to US? I cant think of another poopdeck thread to post this one in. Maybe the PC principal thread, but I've hijacked that thread into talking about my resume.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...out/?tid=sm_fb

6 black teenagers kicked out of an Apple store in Australia for being black. Apparently Australians arent afraid of wolf spiders, kung fu kangaroos, sharks, or anything...but they're afraid that black teenagers will steal shit.

[thetruepandagod]

Would the people in here be opposed to an application system where your name/gender/race are entirely left off of any resume/application process?

If you are in favor, at what point/what job would you consider it necessary to take into account a persons name/gender/race/weight/age?

[Zetanio]

Would the people in here be opposed to an application system where your name/gender/race are entirely left off of any resume/application process?

If you are in favor, at what point/what job would you consider it necessary to take into account a persons name/gender/race/weight/age?

When I consider my insurance costs.

EDIT: Misread

I would be against this.

[thetruepandagod]

When I consider my insurance costs.

EDIT: Misread

I would be against this.

Can you elaborate why? Just curious. Also as an aside I'm curious if anyone's opinion changes in a hiring vs applying scenario.

[Enkidu]

I don't know, I'm not sure how they define "wealth" or what their source material is aside from saying "Federal reserve", which honestly means little to me unless it was published by an accredited source (was it?). I mean it doesn't really seem to mesh with other reports, such as this: http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/med...ty-in-2014.htm which shows that education level is a key determining factor in earnings.

[BerenTebogo]

Would the people in here be opposed to an application system where your name/gender/race are entirely left off of any resume/application process?

If you are in favor, at what point/what job would you consider it necessary to take into account a persons name/gender/race/weight/age?

A blanket system for or against obviously doesn't work. There are jobs where, at the very least, age / weight etc directly impact your ability to perform (manual labor, etc).

And the fact that, despite whoever wants to scream at the sky and say otherwise, in the US there is still inequity for POC and women so I think that programs which give them a bit of a leg up are good. Obviously nothing is infallible and a person's advantageous hiring should not excuse them from maintaining the same standard of work that is expected across the board, but to get in the door? I think it is important in some fields, yeah.

I feel the same about men in some jobs though. Idk where exactly I read it recently, but was a decent amount of stories from dudes who have degrees in child psych / ECD / etc who were getting witch-hunted out of working in pre-school / kindergarten communities because fear of diddling. And similar reports of it being harder to get hired in that field as a man.

Where there exists a disparity in accessibility due to opinions or stigma I think there should exist countermeasures. POC, women, men, lgbt, there exists job markets where all of the above are discriminated against in different ways. Personally, I think that is some silly shit.

Tl;dr in the US we have come a long way, but we aren't there yet. For anyone. Even rich white males if your dream is working with kids (prob other shit too).

[Zetanio]

A blanket system for or against obviously doesn't work. There are jobs where, at the very least, age / weight etc directly impact your ability to perform (manual labor, etc).

And the fact that, despite whoever wants to scream at the sky and say otherwise, in the US there is still inequity for POC and women so I think that programs which give them a bit of a leg up are good. Obviously nothing is infallible and a person's advantageous hiring should not excuse them from maintaining the same standard of work that is expected across the board, but to get in the door? I think it is important in some fields, yeah.

I feel the same about men in some jobs though. Idk where exactly I read it recently, but was a decent amount of stories from dudes who have degrees in child psych / ECD / etc who were getting witch-hunted out of working in pre-school / kindergarten communities because fear of diddling. And similar reports of it being harder to get hired in that field as a man.

Where there exists a disparity in accessibility due to opinions or stigma I think there should exist countermeasures. POC, women, men, lgbt, there exists job markets where all of the above are discriminated against in different ways. Personally, I think that is some silly shit.

Tl;dr in the US we have come a long way, but we aren't there yet. For anyone. Even rich white males if your dream is working with kids (prob other shit too).

This pretty accurately describes what I was going to write.

I would add that when it comes to non-racial, non-gender descriptors (I mean weight and age,) there is a very real cost of insuring employees that are very overweight or very old. Even in a non-physical job.