2015-16 NFL Week 4: This! Field! Is On FIIIIRRRREEEE!

[archibaldcrane]

Jesus, 4-0 Atlanta's next 5 opponents have 1, 1, 1, 1, and 2 wins so far. Fucking NFC South lol.

I mean for fuck's sake, they get the NFC East and AFC South this year. Carolina might be the only team that will finish over 500 they play all season, seriously.

[Cail]

Jesus, 4-0 Atlanta's next 5 opponents have 1, 1, 1, 1, and 2 wins so far. Fucking NFC South lol.

I mean for fuck's sake, they get the NFC East and AFC South this year. Carolina might be the only team that will finish over 500 they play all season, seriously.

Panthers have their bye next week, then Seattle, Philly, Indy, GB

[archibaldcrane]

Panthers have their bye next week, then Seattle, Philly, Indy, GB

Yeah, Carolina has it worse with Seattle and GB. Atl plays the Vikings and 49ers lol.

But still.

[Byrd]

Jesus, 4-0 Atlanta's next 5 opponents have 1, 1, 1, 1, and 2 wins so far. Carolina might be the only team that will finish over 500 they play all season, seriously.

I didn't realize it was that bad. Atlanta might very well get the #1 seed and be the 5th or 6th best team in the conference.

Although now that I think about it, the NFC doesn't seem very deep, so maybe that's not that far off.

[Boyiee]

Jesus, 4-0 Atlanta's next 5 opponents have 1, 1, 1, 1, and 2 wins so far. Fucking NFC South lol.

I mean for fuck's sake, they get the NFC East and AFC South this year. Carolina might be the only team that will finish over 500 they play all season, seriously.

They have the highest win projection total of any undefeated team at like 12.2 wins. That soft schedule. Pats are 12 greenbay 11.8 Carolina 10.

[Bregor]

Bills are bringing in TRENT for a workout.

It's October so I can use this again:

[Cail]

Luck is 17-2 against the AFC South

Luck is 17-15 against all others

[archibaldcrane]

Luck is 17-2 against the AFC South

Luck is 17-15 against all others

Just like how all new Bears coaches know that priority #1 is to beat the Packers, everyone in the Colts organization from the ball boys to the owner know that the most important thing is to beat the Jaguars.

[Kalmado]

Just read about the game last night. Not surprised about Lions losing, especially in a fail way (the fumble). But regarding the ruling, I don't care who the teams are as that rule should be known by the refs and called appropriately. I agree too, Seattle sure has a lot of things go their way when needed. The number 1 thing to take away from it though, it was an amazing play by Kam.

[Krandor]

The number 1 thing to take away from it though, it was an amazing play by Kam.

That's the sad part, because it was absolutely an amazing play that's now going to get overshadowed by the refs fucking up.

[Dimmauk]

Just read about the game last night. Not surprised about Lions losing, especially in a fail way (the fumble). But regarding the ruling, I don't care who the teams are as that rule should be known by the refs and called appropriately. I agree too, Seattle sure has a lot of things go their way when needed. The number 1 thing to take away from it though, it was an amazing play by Kam.

Seemed like everybody didn't know. Nobody on the Lions were screaming or jumping up and down about it.

[archibaldcrane]

And since the back judge at the time thought it was inadvertent, it wouldn't matter if they were screaming. Whether it was an intentional bat or not isn't reviewable. The ref fucked up at the time and that's it.

[Taru Tacos]

Celeras has it right. Yes, there's the luck skill in picking an optimal lineup, but they probably just run a ton of lineups no one else has on competing sites. It's incredibly shitty and it should probably be illegal. I don't see how this is a "game of skill" and yet picking a team by a certain number of points isn't.

Best analogy I can come up with is if you're sitting down at a blackjack table at Venetian, and then a guy sits next to you who happens to be a blackjack dealer at Bellagio. The dealers know each other and your Venetian dealer lets the Bellagio dealer count cards. Yes, you can still win on your hands, but other players have an unfair advantage, and if you play enough you will lose.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at.

The bolded is what particularly gets me about this shit though; I can't really help but wonder how much they've spent on lobbying. Would love to see what the hell actual argument could be made that differentiates this as a game of skill from traditional sports betting or even something like poker or blackjack.


As for the call, I'll bet the back judge was ignorant of the rule and claimed the inadvertent thing after as an ass cover. Really had no idea so many people were ignorant of that rule in general before last night but it's kind of whatever. Seattle winning on some ref fuckery isn't a shocking occurrence.

[Byrd]

And since the back judge at the time thought it was inadvertent, it wouldn't matter if they were screaming. Whether it was an intentional bat or not isn't reviewable. The ref fucked up at the time and that's it.

It's hard to review intent, so it makes sense that the play isn't reviewable. But it was clearly a blown call because it was intentional, even if Wright's action had no real effect on the play other than to incur the penalty, and it should have been called. The sad thing is if he'd just grabbed it or watched it roll out of the endzone, the focus would be on Chancellor's play and not the blown call.

It reminds me of that Cleveland Brown player a couple of years ago who ripped off his helmet celebrating a sack on the game's final play when the play wasn't dead yet, given the other team 15 yards and an untimed down, which they used to kick a field goal and win. It had no affect on the play, but is still a pentalty. Or the Browns player on Sunday who inconsequentially jumped offsides on the field goal, giving them a second shot at the missed kick.

Is it just me or do these things happen to the Browns and Lions more than other teams?

[archibaldcrane]

As for the call, I'll bet the back judge was ignorant of the rule and claimed the inadvertent thing after as an ass cover.

Probably.

It's hard to review intent

Well...sometimes. Here?

[Arvin]

Idk how people can think that the call couldn't have had a difference in the game, Lions would have had a touchdown, 1st and goal with a yard at most.

Regardless its done and over with, just like the lions season lol

[Arvin]

Michael Bennet - "I don't like Matt Stafford much. He's from Dallas. They killed the president (JFK). ... I hold it against him."

This is absurd, everybody knows Stafford can't hit a target from a long distance

[Chun Liroy]

Idk how people can think that the call couldn't have had a difference in the game, Lions would have had a touchdown, 1st and goal with a yard at most.

Regardless its done and over with, just like the lions season lol

I don't think people are saying the call wouldn't have made a difference. It would have. The action that would have been penalized, however, had no bearing on the game. If he dove on it and it went out of bounds, the same exact outcome would occur. "Intent" should have no bearing on a game IMO.

[Celeras]

These are the best power rankings I have ever seen in my life:

http://dnn1.connectedright.com/aikma...of-Week-4.aspx

[Taru Tacos]

Maybe I'm not reading you right but this isn't the first or even close to the most ubiquitous example of intent being a part of the game so it seems arbitrary to make a point of it now. Pass interference is the big one in having to differentiate whether contact was incidental, the result of making a play on the ball, or the result of obstructing the opponent from making a play on the ball. It comes up in smaller things too like the difference between a pass rusher being blocked into a quarterback that has already released the ball and intentionally diving into the quarterback. There are situations that result in the same play outcome but the rules treat them very differently depending on the intent of the actors involved and I don't know how you could really handle them otherwise.

The same can be said for whether a penalized action has a bearing on the game. Just start looking through the offensive and defensive holding penalties in any week and you'll inevitably run across some penalized actions that didn't realistically affect what happened on that play. If Kam made an amazing interception but Mebane or whoever jumped offsides, the interception wouldn't stand even if the oline picked up any pass rush and it had no real effect on Stat Padford just making a lousy throw.


Edit:
So now there's apparently something about the Draft Kings guy not just using his inside information for his own Fan Duel bets but that he also published "insider" information on his blog in an apparent attempt to manipulate how other people bet? Only heard a short blurb about it and Draft Kings are, of course, already saying any information he made public was an accident but this shit is a mess.