2015-16 NFL Week 4: This! Field! Is On FIIIIRRRREEEE!

[Anoat]

Draft Kings is pulling all of their ESPN ads in wake of this "insider trading" scandal. Turns out over a 3 month period, multiple Draft Kings employees have parlayed their info on Fan Duel bets to the tune of $6 million total. Dude that won $350k in one shot probably just ruined it for everyone for winning that much in one lump and drawing attention to it.

[Cail]

Draft Kings is pulling all of their ESPN ads in wake of this "insider trading" scandal.

Best news of the day

[Salodin]

Draft Kings is pulling all of their ESPN ads in wake of this "insider trading" scandal.

Yesss.

Not only did he ruin it for every one, but I'm hoping it forces some politicians to start considering changing how they approach the game of "skill".

[Chun Liroy]

Maybe I'm not reading you right but this isn't the first or even close to the most ubiquitous example of intent being a part of the game so it seems arbitrary to make a point of it now. Pass interference is the big one in having to differentiate whether contact was incidental, the result of making a play on the ball, or the result of obstructing the opponent from making a play on the ball. It comes up in smaller things too like the difference between a pass rusher being blocked into a quarterback that has already released the ball and intentionally diving into the quarterback. There are situations that result in the same play outcome but the rules treat them very differently depending on the intent of the actors involved and I don't know how you could really handle them otherwise.

The same can be said for whether a penalized action has a bearing on the game. Just start looking through the offensive and defensive holding penalties in any week and you'll inevitably run across some penalized actions that didn't realistically affect what happened on that play. If Kam made an amazing interception but Mebane or whoever jumped offsides, the interception wouldn't stand even if the oline picked up any pass rush and it had no real effect on Stat Padford just making a lousy throw.

I'm ignoring the second part because that is not what I said and has nothing to do with the conversation. Not to mention it stands to argue that holding on the other side of the field influenced a QBs read of "not open" and leads to a sack or whatever.

All of the things you listed are completely separate to this instance IMO. PI is in no way relating to intent at all. Either you interfered with the receiver or you didn't. You can do that unintentionally or intentionally. If you're making a play on the ball, turn your head around and do it. A referee's split decision and interpretation of it is what is variable, not intent. Roughing the passer is a completely different type of penalty. It is not a penalty because it influences the play. in fact, if it influences the play it isn't called, same with roughing the kicker. His intent is to block it, not take out the kicker. But guess what, he missed the ball by <1 inch and now it's a penalty. These specific penalties take out the interpretation of intent and err on the side of caution for player safety purposes. These are put in place to protect key positions from head hunting and bounties -- you try to injure the QB after he no longer has the ball, you're going to cause a negative play for your team. The INTENT comes afterwards when they decide whether or not to fine you.

This rule in place has nothing to do with injury. In fact, can someone explain to me its importance? Why does it matter if a player bats the ball?

[Dimmauk]

This Fantasy Gambling thing is not surprising at all. Shit is hilarious.

[Mertron]

holy roller

[Krandor]

Yesss.

Not only did he ruin it for every one, but I'm hoping it forces some politicians to start considering changing how they approach the game of "skill".

It was already happening even before this. Draftkings has been getting legal flack in MA already (it's headquartered in Boston).

[Taru Tacos]

I'm ignoring the second part because that is not what I said and has nothing to do with the conversation. Not to mention it stands to argue that holding on the other side of the field influenced a QBs read of "not open" and leads to a sack or whatever.

All of the things you listed are completely separate to this instance IMO. PI is in no way relating to intent at all. Either you interfered with the receiver or you didn't. You can do that unintentionally or intentionally. If you're making a play on the ball, turn your head around and do it. A referee's split decision and interpretation of it is what is variable, not intent. Roughing the passer is a completely different type of penalty. It is not a penalty because it influences the play. in fact, if it influences the play it isn't called, same with roughing the kicker. His intent is to block it, not take out the kicker. But guess what, he missed the ball by <1 inch and now it's a penalty. These specific penalties take out the interpretation of intent and err on the side of caution for player safety purposes. These are put in place to protect key positions from head hunting and bounties -- you try to injure the QB after he no longer has the ball, you're going to cause a negative play for your team. The INTENT comes afterwards when they decide whether or not to fine you.

This rule in place has nothing to do with injury. In fact, can someone explain to me its importance? Why does it matter if a player bats the ball?

I'm sure that stands to reason for some of them but let's not pretend every called defensive holding influenced the QB's read or that the refs even begin to take that into account before flagging it.

I disagree with you entirely on intent not being a factor at all in pass interference. The referee's split decision and interpretation in your example factors in your intent. If he believes you made contact with the intent to make a play on the ball then his interpretation of your intent will make him less likely to call it a penalty. If he doesn't believe you initiated that same contact with intent to play the ball then it is. I'm not even sure where you're going with roughing the passer, it seems like intent as a factor in the penalty's application is being conflated with the player safety rationale behind the penalty's existence.

If you want to discuss the reasoning and importance behind the rule then that's another matter and one I'm not sure about either. They obviously don't like the notion of players being able to just bat loose balls to their teammates or out of bounds in lieu of having to attempt to secure it in the limited and high-importance space of the endzone. There's no really obvious motivator there like player safety but maybe someone else has some idea. It's still a clear rule that has been on the books for long enough that there's no excuse for ignorance regarding it to prematurely decide a game. If you want to argue for a rule chance in the off season though, then more power to you.


Edit:
Actually, fuck it. After looking at this again, I'm starting to suspect whatever part we actually disagree on might be too semantic and interpretation based to fuck with so I don't want to Spider-Dan it up.

[Mertron]

holy roller.

[Serra]

It's getting better!

the New York Times reports that New York state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has demanded the two duopolistic daily fantasy companies—DraftKings and FanDuel—provide a truckload of information as he looks into “the prospect that employees of daily fantasy football sites have won lucrative payouts based on inside information not available to the public.”

http://deadspin.com/report-draftking...-ne-1735088955

http://deadspin.com/here-are-the-let...-se-1735097526

[Arvin]

These are the best power rankings I have ever seen in my life:

http://dnn1.connectedright.com/aikma...of-Week-4.aspx

ayyyyy

lions > bears > chiefs > colts > browns > bucs > fins > 49ers

ill take it

[Cail]

Where's my new thread

[Celeras]

I don't think we need a new thread, G.Marsh is on bye.

[Salodin]

It's getting better!



http://deadspin.com/report-draftking...-ne-1735088955

http://deadspin.com/here-are-the-let...-se-1735097526

But if these are considered games of skill, does it even matter? A shady practice that should be stopped, sure, but is it illegal?

[Cail]

I don't think we need a new thread, G.Marsh is on bye.

This is true. as are the 4-0 Panthers

[Tyche]

[Cutriss]

It was already happening even before this. Draftkings has been getting legal flack in MA already (it's headquartered in Boston).

I didn't realize that. That would explain why North Station has been all but rechristened as "DraftKings Station".

[AidenCarby]

Time to leave the bitch. She was dumb enough to do it before they were married. Welp

[Bregor]

Time to leave the bitch. She was dumb enough to do it before they were married. Welp

Fuckin' A. Time to salsa dance your ass outta there.

[Mertron]

sports are great