Nikki Seven / LBR vs Reddit

[Spider-Dan]

I absolutely love that this bothers you so much.

"I love it that you're bothered by my lies and false claim of responsibility for an outcome that existed long before I complained about it."

Save it. If you're not willing to come on now, it just speaks volumes about

...his ability to see through a transparent attempt to generate views?

When your response to an accurate refutation of your claimed responsibility for a change to reddit is "lolol DANCE, PUPPET" it is ridiculous to then expect that same person to come on your show. You've already demonstrated that you have no interest in intellectual accountability.

[LimitBreakRadio]

I had literally not even heard of them before this shit started 2 weeks ago and everything I've seen thus far has been shock jock radio.

If you had even tried to PM or reach out to say "hey lets have a convo about this and make it serious" I would have programmed that show and I would have given you the space to say whatever you want. I said that multiple times. I actually DO work in media and, yeah, we do the shock jock shtick, but that doesnt mean we're incapable of talking about something seriously. I've never asked the show be taken seriously, but that doesn't mean we can't have serious discussions when warranted. I'd even treat you like every other guest we've ever had in our 9 year history.

Like, for real. All bullshit aside. I'd love the opportunity to tell you what it's like as a content creator to try and market an intangible internet based entertainment product. The kind of challenges that come along with just trying to break through the din of noise created by 100 other creators doing something similar. I'm not complaining about it, but there's actually some fertile discussion ground that you're blowing off. I mean, you guys were just talking about how we're farming this for attention (which isn't completely wrong btw) so if that something worth unpacking, lets fucking talk about it.

Look, I get it. You dont like the tone of my content, whether its my show or posts. That's fine, I get it. It's abrasive and aggressive and turns a lot of people off. But don't write me off as some attention seeking hack. If I wanted attention or just wanted to push my product/brand I would have jumped ship to making content for WoW 8 years ago. There are easier ways to stir the pot then to read an email and actually make a coherent (if not a little aggressive) point about a community that I see has problems.

[Ratatapa]

[Eanae]

If you had even tried to PM or reach out to say "hey lets have a convo about this and make it serious" I would have programmed that show and I would have given you the space to say whatever you want. I said that multiple times. I actually DO work in media and, yeah, we do the shock jock shtick, but that doesnt mean we're incapable of talking about something seriously. I've never asked the show be taken seriously, but that doesn't mean we can't have serious discussions when warranted. I'd even treat you like every other guest we've ever had in our 9 year history.

Like, for real. All bullshit aside. I'd love the opportunity to tell you what it's like as a content creator to try and market an intangible internet based entertainment product. The kind of challenges that come along with just trying to break through the din of noise created by 100 other creators doing something similar. I'm not complaining about it, but there's actually some fertile discussion ground that you're blowing off. I mean, you guys were just talking about how we're farming this for attention (which isn't completely wrong btw) so if that something worth unpacking, lets fucking talk about it.

Look, I get it. You dont like the tone of my content, whether its my show or posts. That's fine, I get it. It's abrasive and aggressive and turns a lot of people off. But don't write me off as some attention seeking hack. If I wanted attention or just wanted to push my product/brand I would have jumped ship to making content for WoW 8 years ago. There are easier ways to stir the pot then to read an email and actually make a coherent (if not a little aggressive) point about a community that I see has problems.

I get it. If you go back and read my post history on BG angry shit posts for attention was my thing for a while. It's a lot of the reason BG isn't really much of a fan of me to begin with. I had too much time on my hands back then and I kind of stopped with the drama and being angry all the time once I got a career and lost a lot of the free time I used to have. If this had happened even 5 years ago I would have been in the mud with you.

If this had been your tone from the start with me I would have 100% came on. I hope this thread has at least shown I really have no problem with discussing things. And I know you're salty Aetheryte Radio reached out to us (and to be clear I had never heard of them before either but I've met the guys twice at Fanfest and PAX East) and we said yes but it wasn't something we reached out for to spite you with. If you can promise a dialog with the attitude in that post then let's talk. The ONLY reason I was ignoring your call for me to come on was because I really don't have the time to come on a show and be berated for however long.

[BaneTheBrawler]

It's all good. I hate them now because they won't take my fishing questions seriously.

Boycott LBR until the fish talk is allowed!

#fisherlivesmatter

hivemind verdict is in, we officially hate LBR now.

not gonna lie, tho, i'd watch the shit out of LBR v Eanae smackdown. With adblock on.

[Zetanio]

With adblock on.

Goddamn that's brutal.

[Kaslo]

Just use Youtube Red trial

[Zetanio]

Just use Youtube Red trial

I found the YouTube shill guys!

[Olo401]

Save it. If you're not willing to come on now, it just speaks volumes about
-your willingness to confront criticism
-your ability to be open and transparent
-your inability to separate yourself from your emotions
-your fear
-how much of your ego is wrapped into your position as a mod
-your constant passive aggressive behavior here and in your own community
-how poorly youve handled this situation from front to back

Everyone knows if you had any ability to stand on your own and take some shit would be to come on our show. Not just any show. Our show. Otherwise, in my opinion, it makes you a coward.

Wait.. is this LBR or are you Sean Hannity-level projecting?

[Kaslo]

I found the YouTube shill guys!

It was a joke about how Youtube isn't paying content creators for views during the free trial of YouTube Red going out.

[Zetanio]

It was a joke about how Youtube isn't paying content creators for views during the free trial of YouTube Red going out.

[Elcura]

I like LBR because they make people mad for no particular reason.

Wait, why so angry again? I've read the entire topic but I can't seem to grasp the reason.

[LimitBreakRadio]

I get it. If you go back and read my post history on BG angry shit posts for attention was my thing for a while. It's a lot of the reason BG isn't really much of a fan of me to begin with. I had too much time on my hands back then and I kind of stopped with the drama and being angry all the time once I got a career and lost a lot of the free time I used to have. If this had happened even 5 years ago I would have been in the mud with you.

If this had been your tone from the start with me I would have 100% came on. I hope this thread has at least shown I really have no problem with discussing things. And I know you're salty Aetheryte Radio reached out to us (and to be clear I had never heard of them before either but I've met the guys twice at Fanfest and PAX East) and we said yes but it wasn't something we reached out for to spite you with. If you can promise a dialog with the attitude in that post then let's talk. The ONLY reason I was ignoring your call for me to come on was because I really don't have the time to come on a show and be berated for however long.

This sounds fun. I'd be all on board for this. Let's talk.

[haroldsaxon]

It was the only email on that topic for that show. Since then, we've actually had a few emails regarding reddit; not nearly as the response on BG and Reddit itself. And never EVER did we consider finding a "counterpoint." What the actual fuck. Like, do you seriously think that we have some kind of obligation to find an opposing viewpoint for an email that was sent to us? What would that even entail? Going to reddit, saying "hey folks, we got a nasty email saying you guys are chumps, what are your thoughts on it?" If it isn't obvious enough already, we at LBR love to shake things up, incite chaos, rile people up, rustle some jimmies. Boy, did it rustle some jimmies. More importantly, though, it started a dialog. /r/ffxiv has that button that hides screenshots now because we created conflict. Conflict isn't bad, people. We fucking welcome it on LBR. For the love of god, if you have an issue with fucking anything, call or email the show; there's a 95% chance that you shit will get air time. We'd love to have the reddit mods or even diehard redditors call in and defend their points, but they cannot take direct confrontation.

I'm not sure how I got there, but basically my point was that reading Nikki's email and then allowing people to respond to it is way better than trying to crowdsource all viewpoints on a topic that no one was passionate about (until said email blew up).

/r/FFXIV has had a button that hides screenshots for a long time, they just added one for Fan Art.

I just honestly don't see what the mods are to blame for a culture which goes beyond Reddit, which seems to have been echoed in the piece regarding the pug communities of NA vs JPN, and i'd be interested to see a mod perspective about it, but can you really blame them not wanting to go on to just get insulted? I could be wrong, but it just seems like your screaming loudly to get clickbait viewership for your show. But, that's just from an outsider who hasn't seen your show - maybe this is just an isolated incident. What do I know? I hope i'm wrong, because i'd like to see a little substance with the debate - if I wanted to see pointless shit flung, i'll login to FFXIV on 3.1 patch day and look at shout chat in zones. I'd totally tune in if there was a decent discussion, but I honestly got put off from that video.

I absolutely love that this bothers you so much.

Save it. If you're not willing to come on now, it just speaks volumes about
-your willingness to confront criticism
-your ability to be open and transparent
-your inability to separate yourself from your emotions
-your fear
-how much of your ego is wrapped into your position as a mod
-your constant passive aggressive behavior here and in your own community
-how poorly youve handled this situation from front to back

Everyone knows if you had any ability to stand on your own and take some shit would be to come on our show. Not just any show. Our show. Otherwise, in my opinion, it makes you a coward.

I've asked him (and the mods) a few questions on /r/ffxiv and never had an issue getting answers. Got any examples on the above?

If you had even tried to PM or reach out to say "hey lets have a convo about this and make it serious" I would have programmed that show and I would have given you the space to say whatever you want. I said that multiple times. I actually DO work in media and, yeah, we do the shock jock shtick, but that doesnt mean we're incapable of talking about something seriously. I've never asked the show be taken seriously, but that doesn't mean we can't have serious discussions when warranted. I'd even treat you like every other guest we've ever had in our 9 year history.

Like, for real. All bullshit aside. I'd love the opportunity to tell you what it's like as a content creator to try and market an intangible internet based entertainment product. The kind of challenges that come along with just trying to break through the din of noise created by 100 other creators doing something similar. I'm not complaining about it, but there's actually some fertile discussion ground that you're blowing off. I mean, you guys were just talking about how we're farming this for attention (which isn't completely wrong btw) so if that something worth unpacking, lets fucking talk about it.

Look, I get it. You dont like the tone of my content, whether its my show or posts. That's fine, I get it. It's abrasive and aggressive and turns a lot of people off. But don't write me off as some attention seeking hack. If I wanted attention or just wanted to push my product/brand I would have jumped ship to making content for WoW 8 years ago. There are easier ways to stir the pot then to read an email and actually make a coherent (if not a little aggressive) point about a community that I see has problems.

Can you blame them for not wanting to come on the show when you weren't interested in their viewpoint on the original show though? I would love to see an actual proper discussion about this - because its something that isn't just isolated to Reddit. Just look at the OF forums or ingame.

Then again, this thread has produced more content than the dev's for the actual game does, so I guess that's something.

[Charismatic]

hivemind verdict is in, we officially hate LBR now.

I didn't care about LBR but now I love LBR. Why can't I into hivemind?

[Zetanio]

I didn't care about LBR but now I love LBR. Why can't I into hivemind?

But Chari pls.

[Worm]

Juxta is correct, taking a caller or reading an email is not a ringing endorsement of that persons entire life and posting history. If we did that we would have to vet the 40+ emails we get and the upwards of 15 calls we get each week. Why read this one? It was well written and expertly performed.

We're talking just scanning an e-mail before you read it, you guys knew it was some lunatic rant. It isn't "vetting", it's the absolute minimum of common sense and effort. Why try to bullshit your way out of this? "we can't possible VET every e-mail even though we knew exactly what this e-mail was going to be after glancing at it".

He has a blog now, so since he's such an excellent writer maybe you can make him a reoccurring feature. I'm sure people would love to have a regular segment where some crazy guy is poked at.

It made for a good 20 mins of radio and the sentiment resonated in me so I chimed in. It's sparked an interesting multi-faceted discussion on several different platforms and, like, why not? If you were me and had that email, would you not read it for fear of....what exactly? This discussion? Are you seriously questioning the reason why we read an email that lead to this amount of fun/drama/discussion? I know there's no dumb questions but that seems like a dumb question.

Oh yeah what great discussion some loon's rant has brought us. You're truly moving us to a brighter and greater future, thank you LBR. Maybe I'm just jaded and burnt out on this shit, but I don't understand the positive view of shit storms, there are so many all over the Internet all the time especially now.

It's just not something I would have read. Those kind of posts are real worn out to me. Cliff Yablonski is how old? It's just old overdone humor, even if the guy was hamming it up, which he totally isn't.

Oh and we're totally stealing the lala ERP. So, thanks. Fuck. That one was just for you.

Yeah read ERP scripts on your show if you think it's funny, it'll fill 20 minutes that's for sure.

I keep saying this but I mean it, dont consider me a "community figure/leader", I'm not and I despise the term. I dont want status, and I dislike the expectation that comes along with it. We're doing the show we want to do. Period. As for takings us seriously. Don't. Not sure why I need to keep saying this but we dont take ourselves seriously, why should anyone else? We never packaged or sold ourselves as a serious show. I mean, is that ok? Like, its' a pretty legit and common content strategy. We're not exactly breaking new ground here, lets be honest. Look, you want me to talk program strategy (spoiler: no you dont, I prattle on about the shit forever) I'd be happy to give you all the time in the world. But I'll say this, we're not out to just wildly swing at controversy or call people out or shit like that, it's just the thing we're fucking with right now. And being completely emotionally uninvolved, you will get no flame out from me. Sorry to disappoint.

Do you really think I want you to flame me out? Is that how you're reading this? If you guys are just fucking around and want to act like asses, hey fine whatever all the luck to you I hope the show does well. I'm not saying you need to be a role model, but reading off some stupid brawl hall reject screed just isn't up my alley and makes me just dismiss you guys as idiots. That's all I mean by 'being taken seriously' not acting like a professional radio host, but just not acting like an ass.

Though it makes a lot more sense after reading your post. You guys wanted to fill a time block and you don't care how, or you just picked an e-mail that would let you shit on reddit but not have to take responsibility for what was said. Either way you seem like a pretty typical Internet asshole.

[AlastorTGN]

The original E-mail was okay in my opinion, everything after was what turned out to be really self indulgent wank.

[Worm]

The original E-mail was okay in my opinion, everything after was what turned out to be really self indulgent wank.

I'll admit only found a few snippets in a discussion about it and really didn't have a lot of interest listening to it, given Nikki's other writing I imagine it reads just like like some kid aping Cliff Yablonski, I imagine I wouldn't be bothered by it. It makes a lot of sense they don't want the video on the sub, especially if it's more angry rant than criticism. Though even if that kind of stuff doesn't bother me it isn't some huge mystery to me why someone might not want that content to be on a forum.

/r/ffxiv has a lot of problems, but chief among them is the huge amount of "me too" that happens any time someone shits on the sub or community. People are in a huge rush to align themselves to whomever is doing the calling out and the people who are calling out the sub or community think "great man I'm really changing things", completely ignorant to the fact that all they've done is gotten every shit poster and idiot to jump in their boat. Then you just have a bunch of dipshits making multiple threads about whatever the latest problem of the week is, until they get bored and go back to their standard bitching points. I don't know if there is any good way to deal with those kinds of people, but probably simplifying things into a bunch of good vs. evil fights where the only solution is total capitulation won't do any good. Neither will someone saying "1v1 me on my radio show or you're a coward". These people just need to make the decision on their own to stop being shit people.

[Eanae]

/r/ffxiv has a lot of problems, but chief among them is the huge amount of "me too" that happens any time someone shits on the sub or community. People are in a huge rush to align themselves to whomever is doing the calling out and the people who are calling out the sub or community think "great man I'm really changing things", completely ignorant to the fact that all they've done is gotten every shit poster and idiot to jump in their boat. Then you just have a bunch of dipshits making multiple threads about whatever the latest problem of the week is, until they get bored and go back to their standard bitching points. I don't know if there is any good way to deal with those kinds of people, but probably simplifying things into a bunch of good vs. evil fights where the only solution is total capitulation won't do any good.

We get between 700,000 and 1,200,000 unique viewers per month. We're the second most active MMO subreddit even though our subscriber count puts us at #3 or #4. You're never going to find a unified mindset in that many people. Someone is literally always going to be unhappy. Even 1% is still 7,000 angry people. If we put it at a more realistic 10% you can see how a group of people can get very loud.