PC Principal thread

[Byrthnoth]

The postgrad application advice I've heard is basically:
1) Expect a 1% reply rate for posted job offers
2) Keep applying anyway
3) Attempt to get a job via schmoozing and meeting people

[Ezek]

http://hlrecord.org/2015/11/fascism-at-yale/

Usually, we at Harvard are more than happy to see Yale students make fools of themselves on camera. The video that emerged this week of Yale students screaming down one of their professors might make for a good laugh, if its implications were not quite so serious. It’s a scene we’ve seen played out far too often at college campuses in recent years, and it deserves to be called by what it is: a nascent form of fascism.

...Several days later, students disrupted an event held by the William F. Buckley, Jr. program that was designed to highlight the importance of free speech. According to reports by the Yale Daily News, several attendees were spat on as they left.

Well, at least Harvard is having a field day with these kinds of protests.

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i'm dead

[archibaldcrane]

Professor is offered job in Native American studies at U. of Illinois. Offer rescinded after he tweeted forcefully against Israel bombing campaign in Gaza. He sues, wins a 600k settlement (and the chancellor resigns after using non-university emails discussing the matter in an attempt to avoid disclosure).

Here's the case, has the tweets in question:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/wo...him-a-job.html

[Charismatic]

http://hlrecord.org/2015/11/fascism-at-yale/




Well, at least Harvard is having a field day with these kinds of protests.

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i'm dead

yo that video, lmao
Thank you for this.

[BerenTebogo]

http://hlrecord.org/2015/11/fascism-at-yale/




Well, at least Harvard is having a field day with these kinds of protests.

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i'm dead

There is a response from the same Harvard Law record from another student of the same standing as the author of the first piece.

http://hlrecord.org/2015/11/in-respo...-coddled-here/

Really though, in reading it, it comes across to me as a very lengthy "nuh uhhhhhhhhhh" without much substance.

[Gredival]

If I saw a resume with Linkshell leader in FFXI, I would hire on the spot.

I'd hire them and make them in charge of HR.

Only if it was an HNMLS. Last thing I need is some social shell leader hiring the real life equivalent of people who TP in STR rings.

[Kalmado]

Only if it was an HNMLS. Last thing I need is some social shell leader hiring the real life equivalent of people who TP in STR rings.

But when I'm eating sushi my ACC is capped bro. STR = bigger numbers. Plus, it helps Ifrit because it's fire.

[Marootsoobutsu]

Professor is offered job in Native American studies at U. of Illinois. Offer rescinded after he tweeted forcefully against Israel bombing campaign in Gaza. He sues, wins a 600k settlement (and the chancellor resigns after using non-university emails discussing the matter in an attempt to avoid disclosure).

Here's the case, has the tweets in question:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/wo...him-a-job.html

Honestly, he should be fired. And the kids who said, "I wouldn't feel safe" need slapped upside the head. They need to be challenged-- but he wasn't challenging anyone or anything. He was attacking, and insulting. But university shouldn't be a place where your ideas and your ideologies are safe, nor your lifestyle. People need to learn the difference between an attack on your actions or your statements, and an attack on yourself. He was not just attacking the idea of supporting Israel-- he was attacking people. But he was doing so verbally; if you can't stand up to that and just ignore it-- I mean, it's not like you're required to take a class with any particular professor, ever-- then you really need to examine your expectations of reality.

[archibaldcrane]

He should be fired, but people should be able to stand up to his "verbal attacks"?

Which one is it, your opinion seems to contradict itself.

The tweets aren't vulgar, they aren't a call to violence - isn't that the type of challenging view that students should be exposed to in college? I'm not sure anyone should want their professors of Native American studies to be like "yeah, colonialism isn't so bad lol".

[Marootsoobutsu]

He should be fired, but people should be able to stand up to his "verbal attacks"?

Which one is it, your opinion seems to contradict itself.

The tweets aren't vulgar, they aren't a call to violence - isn't that the type of challenging view that students should be exposed to in college? I'm not sure anyone should want their professors of Native American studies to be like "yeah, colonialism isn't so bad lol".

Students should not frame it as, "MY FEELINGS!" but as, "Hey, this isn't academically sound. This is an attack on people, not an attack on ideas." And I'm sorry, but saying they wouldn't be surprised to see a national leader wearing a necklace of baby teeth is pretty vulgar, and calling anyone who disagrees with him an awful person is pretty much slamming the door in the idea of challenging views-- it's attacking people, and it leaves no room for anyone to discuss things freely.

At the same time, the students reasoning was the same weak-sauce, "I don't feel safe!" That's lame; I don't care if you feel safe-- I do care if you think your work will be judged on its merits, or on your personal politics. If the students had said, "I don't believe that he can impartially look at my work because of how strongly and vehemently he has already called me a terrible person," that's a legitimate stance. And he does not seem at all impartial: he is personally biased, and his rhetoric is over the line. Not because he has an opinion and no one should have opinions, but because he has expressed it in such a way to deliberately attack people-- not their beliefs, but the people specifically for having them.

I'm fine with him being pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli colonialism, but inform people, let them reach the conclusion that it's awful. Be aggressive with disseminating information to students, or to your followers on Twitter or whatever. That's great; even if folks disagree with him, he's still focusing on ideas. But the moment that a professor starts attacking people who disagree with him, however passionately he believes his stance, it's entirely reasonable to question his objectivity with those students, and it removes the idea that he is seeking the furthering of knowledge and understanding of a topic, and creates the idea that he's creating a pulpit in which he is the giver of truth. That's opposed to the purpose of a university.

[archibaldcrane]

Is there no line to be drawn between what he does in an academic setting and what he does in his (albeit public) personal life?

If he said these things about Qaddafi or Saddam Hussein (hell, or even George W. Bush) no one would blink an eye. Saying them about an American ally is what makes them challenging.

[BerenTebogo]

Is there no line to be drawn between what he does in an academic setting and what he does in his (albeit public) personal life?

If he said these things about Qaddafi or Saddam Hussein (hell, or even George W. Bush) no one would blink an eye. Saying them about an American ally is what makes them challenging.

In 2015 the answer is a firm "nope".

[archibaldcrane]

Except he got paid son.

[BerenTebogo]

Except he got paid son.

There's two major schools of thought (that I know of) on whether or not you can be held responsible for your views / words (on making then public) when you are in academia. You see the difference a lot when you read blogs of professors (across all fields, not just science).

There are those who will maintain anonymity at any cost. Doing their best to tell their story / write their posts without yielding any hint as to who they are / where they work other than like "tier 1 research school in xyz field". Others flaunt authority and post whatever they want in public domain with mixed reception and results. This is something I've only seen from people who could be considered too important to lose or tenured - or from people who ended up leaving the field after some time.

Make no mistake, in academia, what you do in your private life is private. But what you do in your private life in public is ABSOLUTELY viewed first and foremost (by the people who pay your salary) through the eyes of you being a representation of the school.

Yeah he got paid. Which is good. I wouldn't be shocked to see his career in academia ended with this one incident though, but who knows. My intuition is that part of why he actually won because an offer was made and then rescinded, just like he probably wouldn't have gotten fired solely for those tweets without being able to sue. However had an offer not been made? Those tweets definitely could've been a perfectly valid reason not to extend an offer in the first place.

[archibaldcrane]

He was definitely in the second school - it's not like he just began tweeting about colonialism between when the offer was extended and when it was rescinded - his perspective as a Palestinian-American is part of what made him appealing as a Native American Studies professor. It just so happened that Israel went on a major offensive with major civilian casualties during that period, so he ramped it up accordingly.

[archibaldcrane]

This guy really spits the hot fiya

Where's Church? I need some veganyoga in here

https://twitter.com/stevesalaita

[BerenTebogo]

He was definitely in the second school - it's not like he just began tweeting about colonialism between when the offer was extended and when it was rescinded - his perspective as a Palestinian-American is part of what made him appealing as a Native American Studies professor. It just so happened that Israel went on a major offensive with major civilian casualties during that period, so he ramped it up accordingly.

Yeah I don't disagree with anything he did fundamentally.

But these days being strongly opinionated and polarizing in academia isn't looked upon the way it was before. Especially considering the massive glut of people with PhDs / multiple postdocs fighting tooth and nail for the limited number of positions. If you want to be a public liability for the organization you would need to be massively head and shoulders above everyone else applying for the position to make you worth the risk.

I don't know if there is a huge surplus of applicants for Native American studies faculty positions - but I'm sure there is enough of one to make the change from this guys normal tweeting to his more aggressive tweeting a dealbreaker.

[archibaldcrane]

I mean, he wrote stuff like this before his offer was rescinded: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs...ce-bds-academe

Illinois knew who they were hiring, they just got cold feet because zionists are really good at this type of pressure. If he was defending any other group of oppressed minority, liberal academia would eat that shit up.

[BerenTebogo]

I mean, he wrote stuff like this before his offer was rescinded: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs...ce-bds-academe

Illinois knew who they were hiring, they just got cold feet because zionists are really good at this type of pressure. If he was defending any other group of oppressed minority, liberal academia would eat that shit up.

If he wrote shit that was at the level of the later tweets prior to the offer being made , then yeah, they knew who they were hiring and caved.

[Tymon]