PC Principal thread

[Fiye]

If you're in a situation where you mis identify a trans person what do you do?

If instead of apologizing to them and addressing them by the term they want to be addressed by you laugh at their face and continue to be wrong. You might be an asshole.

[Day]

quite a jump you made there

[Fiye]

I went through transgender training with some navy people aboard the enterprise. Has a guy who laughed when they came to the part of how to address them and made a comment of 'I'll call them what I want to call them'. Really nice guy normally.

[Karbuncle]

I'll call anyone their preferred male of female. Him or her. It's the made up ones that give me a little trouble. If they're nice about it I'll call fm whatever they want, demands however, move a different direction with me. I'll offer just about any courtesy to someone, so long as they aren't rude.

[dasva]

Sorry man woman tranny fox-kin yalls dude to me

[Roranora]

I've been informed even a cis male is a she when she's in drag.

[Niiro]

Some do, but not all of us them.

[Yuri-G]

Caveat: This information is for people who want to treat trans people with respect. That is not a requirement, although obviously if you choose not to treat them with respect that speaks volumes about your character.


Basically you call them what they want to be called, because what does it cost you to call a person she or he? It's ok to ask first, and it's also ok to assume and be corrected because you didn't know any better. It's also ok to have your own feelings about pronouns; it's perfectly understandable to question why someone wants to be called "zhe." It's not ok to purposefully call someone who prefers to be "she" a "he" because you want to be a dick about it (I am 100% not accusing any of you of that), or to make fun of them because of how they look, etc.


Now here's the exception: If they're total assholes about it you just call them a piece of shit. There are plenty of people in the trans community who are PC bullshitting assholes seeking to ameliorate their own negative self-image by pushing their beliefs onto other people, and I don't think they deserve to be treated any differently. There are people who want you to call then he/she/zhe because they feel like shit about themselves and if they can force you to use their pronoun, that makes them feel like they have some semblance of power. Fuck that. There will be people who launch on you for choosing the wrong pronoun accidentally or being uninformed about a topic you have never really been exposed to. Fuck that too. An asshole is an asshole. And anyone has the right to believe what they want about trans people; I don't believe that disliking them or being uncomfortable about it makes you a bad person. It's how you treat them (and how they treat you) that matters.


And yes, men in drag are typically referred to as "she" when wearing drag and "he" otherwise.

[Salodin]

and it's also ok to assume and be corrected because you didn't know any better.

This right here is so god damned reasonable, it's a wonder why sjw can't just join the fold and stop being dicks about the pronoun thing.

[Yuri-G]

100% agreed. I fucking loathe people who do that. It gives decent trans people a bad name. And more often than not it's a cisgendered SJW trying to feel better about themselves by "sticking up for the little guy" who's the one doing it.

[Seha]

It can surely be confusing at times, but as long as every person involved reacts with maturity it's no big deal. "Excuse me you got it wrong" "Oh, my bad", it's that simple.

The issue is when one side goes OMG HOW DARE YOU and the other makes jokes about being a helicopter.

[Rooney]

It really needs to be sjc, because crusader fits the mentality so much better.

[dasva]

100% agreed. I fucking loathe people who do that. It gives decent trans people a bad name. And more often than not it's a cisgendered SJW trying to feel better about themselves by "sticking up for the little guy" who's the one doing it.

The best part is when the person they are supposedly sticking up for tells them it's ok and then they turn on the people they were claiming to stick up for lol

[Kincard]

The issue is when one side goes OMG HOW DARE YOU and the other makes jokes about being a helicopter.

Honestly maybe it's just the communities I hang around in but I see way more people pretending to be this hyper exaggerated SJW with the "did you just assume his gender", "triggered" and "I identify as an attack helicopter" shit than I see people act obnoxious about that shit in earnest. It's like how people circlejerked that die cis scum video or that one crazy redhead.

[Gredival]

Honestly maybe it's just the communities I hang around in but I see way more people pretending

Did you just assume xer species?

[dasva]

Honestly maybe it's just the communities I hang around in but I see way more people pretending to be this hyper exaggerated SJW with the "did you just assume his gender", "triggered" and "I identify as an attack helicopter" shit than I see people act obnoxious about that shit in earnest. It's like how people circlejerked that die cis scum video or that one crazy redhead.

Well I mean would you hang out with people like that though? I'd think most people not like that would tend to well not feel very welcome in such a community.

I've also noticed that a decent amount of the people I know that are like that tend to normally tone it down when not with similar supporting group. It's like on some level they are aware that it's not really acceptable amongst most people. Like got or in a lot of cases had several friends from the game or school that you could tell from fb postings probably leaned that way a little but if you didn't pay too much attention you might not notice. It'd just be little things and offhand comments often over various mostly reasonable seeming injustices that doesn't seem too out there... but check in on what they say in some of the groups they in or pages they follow or engage them in those offhand comments oh boy full potato time.

Meanwhile anti-sjw has practically become mainstream

[Fiye]

God forbid you go to tumblr and get labeled cis scum. You'll get blacklisted and put on blast by a portion of the community even if they have no idea who you are. They'll just repost what someone else said and keep the chainmail process going like an outlook reply to all function.

Extremes exist on both ends but I'd hope seeing an extreme side on one end wouldn't put you away from the community as a whole.

[NynJa]

Your first problem is caring what tumblrinas think about you.

Your second problem is using tumblr.

[BaneTheBrawler]

It really needs to be sjc, because crusader fits the mentality so much better.

i think of it like this: Warrior is the basic unit in Civ. You start the game with a warrior. They wield clubs and bludgeon things to death, but they're easily the shittiest unit in the game. Scouts have mobility, archers/slingers have range... warriors exist to be promoted into something else.

warriors are basic, unrefined, blunt instruments.

Crusaders are knights, clad in steel and wielding swords and divine wrath. steel is too advanced.

[NynJa]

They wield clubs and bludgeon things to death

Sounds like what a SJW does.

Perhaps we should call them SJZ's instead, because of their fucking zerg mentality.