PC Principal thread

[tyven]

guess you guys get to be the arbiter of who is a nazi and who isn't as well?

i'll leave that up to those being the nazis

[Day]

I know why they were "protesting", I'm asking why they are choosing the worst possible route to obtain their goal of "fighting fascism" because it's done nothing but make people who ordinarily wouldn't, defend people like Milo. Also giving him massive attention, they've achieved the exact opposite of their goal and made themselves look like childish pouting thugs.

[dasva]

No one is condoning the nazi getting punched, but we sure as shit aren't going to spend time defending or enforcing his right to free speech. What's so hard to understand?

Eh I'd defend right to free speech. That said people don't have to listen and you are under no obligation to give them a platform... addendum to that though it's up to those in charge of said platform not random other people who happen to be there.

[archibaldcrane]

The people in charge of the platform are the ones who cancelled the talk, aren't they?

[Day]

i'll leave that up to those being the nazis

"I'll take my cues from this college kid dressed in black with a mask on, he will know for sure who is and isn't a nazi"

[NynJa]

that's real cute nynja, let me take that bottom quote there and use your tactics



And I love how you skip over all my posts where I outlined why that's what the administrators should've done, not that that's what they did, so you can zero in on single lines I wrote as some kind of "gotcha".

You're not ignorant, because that was me giving you the benefit of the doubt. You're just an idiot.

Holy fucking shit. Before the riots, the administrators NEVER said he shouldnt be there. They said, and I already quoted his once, they are sanctioning his presence. In Canadian English, sanction means "to give permission", maybe it means something else where you live, but to me that means they gave him permission to be on campus. If the administrators say he shouldnt be there, then he has to right to be there, and that is the case as of 18 hours ago as they canceled his appearing. Before they canceled his appearance, that was NOT the case as they had given him permission to be there. The fact they had to CANCEL his appearance means he had PERMISSION to be there.

[archibaldcrane]

Nynja already agreed that punching nazis is good (and good for him), we don't need to keep dipping back into this.

[Salodin]

I know why they were "protesting", I'm asking why they are choosing the worst possible route to obtain their goal of "fighting fascism" because it's done nothing but make people who ordinarily wouldn't, defend people like Milo. Also giving him massive attention, they've achieved the exact opposite of their goal and made themselves look like childish pouting thugs.

I'd say history disagrees with you and your assumptions that more will flock to protect him. I'll reference MLK again, 30 arrests and an assassination was not peaceful, and yet he's a hero to millions. I just don't see new people lining up to protect a Nazi, not to say the people who already support nazi views won't be coming to stand with him. Aside from the few sticklers such as yourself, most people are perfectly ok with certain types of people well...how should I say, getting punched in the face. You'd retort, "where is the line with who can get punched and who doesnt?" and to that I say I don't know, but nazis are definitely the other side.

[Zetanio]

Yeah. This might be one time we're all good. Punching nazi's is fine if homie pays the price if/when he gets picked up for it.

[Day]

Are you seriously using MLK to justify violence....

[Salodin]

Yeah. This might be one time we're all good. Punching nazi's is fine if homie pays the price if/when he gets picked up for it.

Judged by a jury of his peers, correct? >=)

[Zetanio]

Anyone can get punched for any reason. You just gotta pay the price.

[Zetanio]

Judged by a jury of his peers, correct? >=)

Wouldn't know I've been throwing out summons for over a decade.

[NynJa]

Nynja already agreed that punching nazis is good (and good for him), we don't need to keep dipping back into this.

And you also agreed that it is still assault none the less. Seeing as how they havent caught the person, law enforcement probably wont get much help from the public (whos gonna snitch on the guy who sucker punched a nazi, I wouldnt lol), and even if they do catch him, unless its a redneck judge, he'll probably get nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

[tyven]

"I'll take my cues from this college kid dressed in black with a mask on, he will know for sure who is and isn't a nazi"

Day no that is not the best route for you to take. Those guys are reckless!

[dasva]

I know why they were "protesting", I'm asking why they are choosing the worst possible route to obtain their goal of "fighting fascism" because it's done nothing but make people who ordinarily wouldn't, defend people like Milo. Also giving him massive attention, they've achieved the exact opposite of their goal and made themselves look like childish pouting thugs.

The funny part is he is pretty open about this more or less being his goal. Man is a self labeled provocateur and wants to get his opponents to act out to get them to discredit themselves while give him more attention. I'll also add that while a lot of his ideas and speech are pretty backwards when he is being serious also raises some good points on some fronts.... but everything else especially his methods often overshadow it

[TheDirtyHobo]

The fact they had to CANCEL his appearance means he had PERMISSION to be there.

Permissions and rights are two very separate things, how do you still not understand this?

[Day]

it's all semantics and I can't believe I'm having to explain to grown ass adults in (current year) that it's not ok to go around punching people you don't like because someone else decided they were a nazi

[dasva]

The people in charge of the platform are the ones who cancelled the talk, aren't they?

Cmon you really don't believe people rioted against a speech that was already cancelled do you? It was cancelled after likely out of safety concerns due to said riots (in fact wasn't it the police that canceled it?). And while I totally understand the response of the college and somewhat agree at the necessity of it it's just rewarding bad behavior

[Kincard]

Holy fucking shit. Before the riots, the administrators NEVER said he shouldnt be there. They said, and I already quoted his once, they are sanctioning his presence.

You know what "if" means right? I never said he wasn't allowed on the campus, I was making an argument for why he shouldn't be allowed. Since, you know, there's a context to conversations. Quote mining so you look smart is what the dishonest do fam.

Also, if you really want to argue semantics for whatever reason, you don't seem to understand that even if the administrators allow him on campus, that still isn't a "right" because being allowed to speak on a campus is still a contingent privilege. Therefore, protests.

I know why they were "protesting", I'm asking why they are choosing the worst possible route to obtain their goal of "fighting fascism" because it's done nothing but make people who ordinarily wouldn't, defend people like Milo. Also giving him massive attention, they've achieved the exact opposite of their goal and made themselves look like childish pouting thugs.

It's not wrong to condemn violence, but like I said- there were already many, many instances of people voicing concerns about Milo where administrators just didn't give a shit, even when he singled out students to harass. Ignored protests eventually become violent. That's why it happened (that and bad actors like the anarchists).

If you want to argue about its efficacy in convincing others, I can't speak as confidently on that. But as others have highlighted, we have whitewashed many of the protests in America's pasts like they never turned violent. Yes, we should condemn riots, we should also assess why it became a riot. People who sit around only condemning riots generally do so from a position of either not caring, or were never friendly towards the idea.