PC Principal thread

[Day]

Interview with the chick that got pepper sprayed at Berkley

[Salodin]

This is bull.

If you speak out against hate, but you do it calmly, rationally, and combat it with better arguments, better data, better analysis, and better reasoning, you deflate its power. When you respond to it with fanaticism, violence, or even just hyperbolistic screaming, you empower it. There are a lot of lessons to learn from the greatness of Civil Rights era protests, and the masturbatory clap-trap of the Hippie-era protests. The fact that the collegiate left seems to have not actually learned those lessons is part of why the right has been able to influence the dialogue as well as they have for so long. And it's entirely why Milo has any voice at all outside of Gamer Gate (and even that is largely just an extension of those same failed lessons).

Because these riots are organized by the dnc, and therefore MAGA? I'm not in disagreement that these riots are dumb as shit. I'm saying that just cause the 30% of those rioters that do vote, vote D, does not mean that what was supposed to be happening shouldn't be happening.

[Kincard]

I'm taking notes, I'll be sure to thank you once that data and fact-based "when they go low, we go high" strategy works to my advantage.

[Marootsoobutsu]

Because these riots are organized by the dnc, and therefore MAGA? I'm not in disagreement that these riots are dumb as shit. I'm saying that just cause the 30% of those rioters that do vote, vote D, does not mean that what was supposed to be happening shouldn't be happening.

Self-policing and organization are essential parts of effective protesting, and in that, the left has hugely failed. The DNC should be aware of their image being tied to these protests (fairly or not), and should be pushing hard to take some semblance of control. The fact that they are not, and haven't for decades, does speak to their capacity to control the narrative. I acknowledge that most of the true hooligans aren't part of the organized protests, that they are coming in to cause problems and create chaos.

You need to grasp this: Hilldog may have lost, but optics matter. It doesn't matter whether the DNC *should* be associated with these protests, or whether the protests *should* be emotionally and associatively linked with violence. The reality is that they *will* be, because that's an easy, simple message to digest for the casual political observer or sound-bites-only. A huge part of why King's Civil Rights protests worked, were because they self-policed so incredibly well and thoroughly, and to a phenomenal extent, prevented violence from happening by stopping it from within their own supporters/pseudo-supporters before it could escalate. They removed, on their own and deliberately, every plausible condemnation from the uninvolved.

And don't get me wrong: It's good to be angry about Trump. It's good to not let him get away with everything (or most of what) he's doing without objecting. But it requires the self-awareness to know that the violent elements will try to shift just anger into chaotic outbursts, and to know that you need to not only condemn it afterward, but prevent it in real time. It's hard, and it takes more leadership than I think the left really has now at the ground level. Passion is good, anger is good, but they need channeled productively.

I'm taking notes, I'll be sure to thank you once that data and fact-based "when they go low, we go high" strategy works to my advantage.

When the left starts broadly going high as their standard strategy, I'll start buying into it not working. Hillary was higher than Trump, but leftist perception for a long while hasn't been of going-high, but of judgment, intolerance, and self-righteousness. I get that, as mostly leftists here, your perception is putting those vices on the right (sometimes exclusively on the right), but there is a very broad perception that these are increasingly far-left attributes, and even moderate-left. Perhaps some degree of the left can claim a high-road, but the regressive left absolutely cannot.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

At this point I'm expecting people to start wearing brown shirts unironically with several hipsters wearing black.

[archibaldcrane]

Literally the largest organized protest in US history just happened 2 weeks ago without a single arrest or any violence in any of the dozens of cities where the protests occurred, and we're chastising the left for violence and a lack of self policing?

[Krandor]

This is just gonna turn into a fucking repeat from the Trump thread a few days ago, but recent history has shown one side of the political spectrum in the US far, far more likely to break out into riots.

[Byrthnoth]

This is just gonna turn into a fucking repeat from the Trump thread a few days ago, but recent history has shown one side of the political spectrum in the US far, far more likely to break out into riots.

Is it the part of the spectrum that lives in cities?

[Niiro]

Is it the part of the spectrum that makes up a majority of the country and a minority of the government.

[tyven]

can you guys please not talk about blacks like that

[Cail]

This is just gonna turn into a fucking repeat from the Trump thread a few days ago, but recent history has shown one side of the political spectrum in the US far, far more likely to break out into riots.

Not everyone can take over government property with guns and not get charged

[Day]

but you can destroy every bank and starbucks in downtown berkley

[Byrthnoth]

But wait

Is it the part of the spectrum young enough to engage in rioting?

[Kincard]

No matter how many huge peaceful protests occur people will always cherry pick the ones they want so they can blow them up and act like all the other ones don't exist. It's like the "why don't these people ever protest black on black crime" garbage.

[thetruepandagod]

I absolutely love that the anti trump stream has become /fit/
http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/

Spoiler: show

And they call these people homophobes heh

[Fiye]

I've seen homophobes do some seriously gay shit. #navythings.

[thetruepandagod]

I've seen homophobes do some seriously gay shit. #navythings.

What happens at sea stays at sea.

[Krandor]

The preferred saying is "It's not gay if it's underway." Also accepted is "It's only queer if you're at the pier."

[NynJa]

If you go to 11:18, the whole group is chanting "BUILD THE WALL"...much lulz

[Jefe]