PC Principal thread

[Karbuncle]

...and he's about to release a stronger, better EO to replace it? He has the power of the POTUS for 4 years because of his rhetoric? I don't see how your comment is a rebuttal to "My desires are better realized by using the tactics the GOP has done for as long as I can remember".

what tactics are you referring too? I apologize if I missed them.

[Yuri-G]

I strongly reject the notion that anyone here is a bastion of anything worth mentioning, tbh

[dasva]

I see what you're saying, and you make a point, but then I point to the success of the President of the United States and I politely tell you to go kick rocks. Taking the high ground does not help people govern, shouting pedo and making people cancel their keynote speakers does.

That's not really helping govern. Let's face it Trump can't govern. It's using the stick when the carrot fails to get them to do what you want. Which yes sometimes might be acts of good governance but it's really just training by the public. And he certainly needs some but improper usage of punishment can lead to declined effectiveness as people ignore it. In this case using inflammatory language to get a reaction can often lead to diminishing reactions even when they are completely accurate partly because you become known for not using it in the literal context

[Fiye]

Aw it doesn't work on Breitbart

[Day]

I strongly reject the notion that anyone here is a bastion of anything worth mentioning, tbh

this

[thetruepandagod]

uncle chang's wild ride

[Karbuncle]

I strongly reject the notion that anyone here is a bastion of anything worth mentioning, tbh

Im a Bastion main.

[Fondue]

Too bad Blubb was banned and can't weigh in on whether literally is more misused than pedophile. Also, about how he thinks pedophilia is okay.

Are you shaming people with mental illnesses now? So much for the tolerant left

[Andalusian girls]

I consider myself an advocate for precise language within my own locus of control, and tend to agree that reductionist speech and extremism in our language have both contributed to the woeful discourse or lack thereof that we see today.

Nevertheless, it's falsely equivalent to suggest that sloppy language should suffice to construct a defense for the indefensible. I don't feel like we have time right now to be nitpicking over whether someone's a hood-wearing cross burner or merely a spreader of nasty memes and ideas when faced with the reality that the ideology is coming back. And it's extremely disingenuous when members of either side bring ot their defense little more than "not technically a pedophile," etc.

Remember too that reductionism and extremism in language is not new, it's not partisan, and it isn't always the result of laziness or sloppiness. It's often willful use of heuristics, as the President does with "CROOKED Hillary," "FAILING New York Times," etc. As the right has done with "pro-life", "baby killers," "death panels," etc.

Some people are purposefully using the most extreme language possible to elicit a response, and conservatives / whoever can kick and scream in response to that tactic if they'd like, but I hope they know that their team has been in that game longer than the liberals. We're just catching on!

Everyone should read this book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000Q9J0K6...ng=UTF8&btkr=1

Deplorable man, but he's so, so right, and the content of this book has a lot to do with all the WINNING the Republicans have been doing as of late.

precision in language and thought is not a defense of the accused and it vexes me people continually conflate the two. i'm terribly vexed. a pedophile is not an hebephile as a proton is not an electron. i am not defending electrons by making this distinction, i do not like electrons, they are unattractive pessimists.

similarly i am not defending Yiannopoulos by understanding he expressed support for hebephilic relationships, not pedophilic ones. i am morally repulsed by hebephilia and those who would see it established as a societal norm and favor the existing punitive laws that seek to prevent sexual predation directed against any segment of the population incapable of giving consent, a decision thirteen year olds are clearly unequipped to make.

you are, however, entirely right on the misuse of language in politics. but do you really want to base your language or thought on the public utterances of Donald J Trump, or any politician for that matter? i would sooner lose a thousand elections than allow the public sphere to so hollow out the private one.

[Xajii]

I'm just not sure what the cultural apetite for learning the nuances of sexualizing minors really is, to the extent that it would foster a well informed public to explain hebephilia vs pedophilia etc.

You won't find me using the extremist labels but I do get it to some extent. Losing elections hurts; not sure I'm ready to say I wouldn't stoop to someone's level if it meant regaining some position of actionable influence.

Most private spheres too are hollow, and that's why we have this vacuous crew at the helm today. I'm not feeling sated by my wholesome use of language in this moment truth be told.

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[mallister]

Milo is a shitheel. I can accept that he's a shitheel and not feel the need to be dragged into a semantic argument over what flavor of shit he's tracking around.

[BerenTebogo]

But yeah. I would have a hard time dealing with a <24yr old long enough to fuck them at this point.

This is my response anytime someone points out an incredibly attractive young woman to me. Like...I know talking isn't required...but they usually find a way.

[archibaldcrane]

precision in language and thought is not a defense of the accused and it vexes me people continually conflate the two. i'm terribly vexed. a pedophile is not an hebephile as a proton is not an electron. i am not defending electrons by making this distinction, i do not like electrons, they are unattractive pessimists.

similarly i am not defending Yiannopoulos by understanding he expressed support for hebephilic relationships, not pedophilic ones. i am morally repulsed by hebephilia and those who would see it established as a societal norm and favor the existing punitive laws that seek to prevent sexual predation directed against any segment of the population incapable of giving consent, a decision thirteen year olds are clearly unequipped to make.

you are, however, entirely right on the misuse of language in politics. but do you really want to base your language or thought on the public utterances of Donald J Trump, or any politician for that matter? i would sooner lose a thousand elections than allow the public sphere to so hollow out the private one.

Saying he's defending pedophilia is more effective than drawing the distinction. For virtually all people who want to take Milo down, that's the beginning and the end of the conversation.

[NynJa]

What age do you consider the cut off between "disgusting pervert" and "okay"?

I consider cup size, how bow dah?

[Day]

Saying he's defending pedophilia is more effective than drawing the distinction. For virtually all people who want to take Milo down, that's the beginning and the end of the conversation.

Intellectual dishonesty to take someone down that says things you don't like. Sounds like something a nazi or a fascist might do.

[Yuri-G]

Intellectual dishonesty to take someone down that says things you don't like. Sounds like something a nazi or a fascist might do.

like calling Obama a Muslim or something, disgusting

[Day]

like calling Obama a Muslim or something, disgusting

True. I agree.

[archibaldcrane]

Intellectual dishonesty to take someone down that says things you don't like. Sounds like something a nazi or a fascist might do.

Breitbart and Simon and Schuster and CPAC weren't responsive to pleas based on his rampant transphobia or racism.

He can get fucked, god forbid "intellectual dishonesty" might be involved. (of course, it wasn't involved, they heard the words straight from Milo's mouth)

Clutch those pearls harder Day.

[Day]

Lying is more effective than telling the truth. Archi 2017

[archibaldcrane]

Keep telling yourself that a misrepresentation of his endorsement of ephebophilia is why he got rekt.

You wouldn't want to lie to yourself, you bastion of honesty.