PC Principal thread

[Yuri-G]

No one actually talks like that. That's the difference.

I work/live/am friends with tons and tons of members of the LGBTQ community and 99.9999% of them are awesome. There's always 1 or 2 people that ruin things. It's funny to joke about "did you just assume my XXXX?" but in reality I've never ever heard anyone say that.

I was gonna reply but you did it much better and with less pissy rage, so yeah.

[dasva]

Chances are you long segregated yourself from anyone like that or they've done it for you. People generally don't get to those extremes mixing it with normies. So unless you walking thru some college protest or are on tumblr for something besides porn (no idea why you'd do that) you should be fine

[EternityEnd]

Tumblr is also nice for intelligent asoiaf discussion. But those two things are it.

[Anoat]

This is sort of the hyper militant leftist boogeyman that is the subject of most news in the thread. The basic idea is that no one should make assumptions based on what is normal or standard because that is exclusionary and marginalizing (and therefore offensive). Instead we should always be hyper inclusive and sensitive to anyone whose identity may lay on the fringes.

Comparatively the hyper militant anti-PC crowd thinks that whatever is on your birth certificate is what you are, and it doesn't matter who you are or what you prefer or how ill suiting certain pronouns are, they will call a transgender MtF in feminine clothing a man/he/him even post-op because in this singular instance they will side with science.

Of course the rational common ground is for someone to, without getting offended, politely explain that they think of themselves as a certain gender and prefer to be treated as that and referred to by the associated pronouns, and for people not to agree to those terms now that they are aware.

This is unrelated to this topic, but because of your sig I mentally have you punctuating every discussion, no matter the topic, with "ABYSSEA RUINED FFXI", and it's always good for a laugh. So, thanks for that.

[djzombie]

Even offensive words though, I don't get why some offensive words are more harmful. Why is calling a gay person a faggot more harmful than calling them an asshole. Aren't they all just derogatory words that denote a negative connotation?

Why do you allow one negative word more power over you than another?

I feel like this with all words, I don't really think there should be words one group of people can use, even in a "positive" manner, but it's taboo for another person to use.

And I am fine with having a nuanced discussion, you're taking a joke that I made and considering it a serious talking point is a little silly, but I was intentionally being over the top to provoke a response.

[Zetanio]

Eh. I agree that people give words their power but if you don't understand why faggot is more offensive to a gay person than asshole, you've missed the point.

[Yuri-G]

Even offensive words though, I don't get why some offensive words are more harmful. Why is calling a gay person a [word redacted] more harmful than calling them an asshole. Aren't they all just derogatory words that denote a negative connotation?

Why do you allow one negative word more power over you than another?

I feel like this with all words, I don't really think there should be words one group of people can use, even in a "positive" manner, but it's taboo for another person to use.

And I am fine with having a nuanced discussion, you're taking a joke that I made and considering it a serious talking point is a little silly, but I was intentionally being over the top to provoke a response.

first off, that word is banned here, and people get banned for using it - even in arguments. not my call, but be careful.


second, being an asshole is a choice. being gay is not. being an asshole is a bad thing (arguable, but generally speaking it is). being gay is not. but most importantly, gay people are persecuted, harassed, even killed for being gay - and the f-word is part of that experience. it's a word of hate that has evolved over decades to become shorthand for "gay person, who is less than the straights, and deserves to die from AIDS, etc." it's not just a word. it really isn't. whether an individual chooses to give power to that word or not is irrelevant to the power the word possesses from a societal point of view.


I mean, you go look at pictures of black people hanging from trees in the South and tell me that the n-word is "just a word." or if you don't like that comparison, just look at pictures of Matthew Shepard as he lay dying on a fence and tell me the f-word is "just a word."

[thetruepandagod]

No one actually talks like that. That's the difference.

I work/live/am friends with tons and tons of members of the LGBTQ community and 99.9999% of them are awesome. There's always 1 or 2 people that ruin things. It's funny to joke about "did you just assume my XXXX?" but in reality I've never ever heard anyone say that.

I for one have, but I am also spending time with 18-20yr olds in hollywood far more than many here I think.

I mean, you go look at pictures of black people hanging from trees in the South and tell me that the n-word is "just a word." or if you don't like that comparison, just look at pictures of Matthew Shepard as he lay dying on a fence and tell me the f-word is "just a word."

I for one am of the opinion that words do not hang people, people hang people and what they chant is relatively irrelevant in light of their actions. I see little difference in a man carving gay vs phag or even fannybandit into the flesh of a gay man whom he hates.

[Zetanio]

I for one have, but I am also spending time with 18-20yr olds in hollywood far more than many here I think.

Yikes, that's terrible.

[djzombie]

I mean, you go look at pictures of black people hanging from trees in the South and tell me that the n-word is "just a word." or if you don't like that comparison, just look at pictures of Matthew Shepard as he lay dying on a fence and tell me the f-word is "just a word."

Yes - I can look at words objectively and separate them from the atrocities that people have committed. Banning words doesn't work for me. Gay people aren't gonna stop using the "f-word" or the "q-word" (by the way having to use "f-word" or "q-word" in place of the word, when its not being directed at anyone, is fuckin dumb) in reference to themselves, then why should anyone else. It is the same with black people and the "N-word." They're not going to stop using it so how can you insist everyone else does.

Policing language is silly.

To be clear, I am not advocating the use of these words, I do not in fact use any of the words I mentioned above. I was involved at an early age with a youth group sponsored by planned parenthood that did presentations for schools trying to educate students on many of the issues this thread is talking about. I do enjoy playing devil's advocate and making people defend their position though, comments on this forum often make me think about things from a different perspective.

I just don't think you can or should ban words, especially not for particular groups of society and not others.

[thetruepandagod]

but like, thats just my opinion bruh

[thetruepandagod]

Yikes, that's terrible.

If only you saw the dirty looks I get from people with genders I can't ascertain when I roll in there with a girl I met on tinder. Small little music clubs full of tumblr makes for great people watching. I even had a run in with a homeless doorman who had claimed he was a vampire hunter and had already found and killed 3 of them while protecting the club for the last 10 years.

[Zetanio]

Yes - I can look at words objectively and separate them from the atrocities that people have committed. Banning words doesn't work for me. Gay people aren't gonna stop using the "f-word" or the "q-word" (by the way having to use "f-word" or "q-word" in place of the word, when its not being directed at anyone, is fuckin dumb) in reference to themselves, then why should anyone else. It is the same with black people and the "N-word." They're not going to stop using it so how can you insist everyone else does.

Policing language is silly.

To be clear, I am not advocating the use of these words, I do not in fact use any of the words I mentioned above. I was involved at an early age with a youth group sponsored by planned parenthood that did presentations for schools trying to educate students on many of the issues this thread is talking about. I do enjoy playing devil's advocate and making people defend their position though, comments on this forum often make me think about things from a different perspective.

I just don't think you can or should ban words, especially not for particular groups of society and not others.

I don't care what words people use but saying you don't understand why gay people get more upset when being called faggot versus asshole is disingenuous. You know the connotations and history of the word.

[Zetanio]

That being said, call anyone whatever you want. I'm not the language police and I never will be. You're all a bunch of fucking losers anyway. Cunts.

[dasva]

.second, being an asshole is a choice.

How do you know that? Maybe I was just born an asshole

[NynJa]

You're the only one I see throwing a tantrum on an internet forum where literally zero people have uttered that

Did you just assume that everyone on the internet is a person?

[Yuri-G]

I don't care what words people use but saying you don't understand why gay people get more upset when being called faggot versus asshole is disingenuous. You know the connotations and history of the word.

And again I quote Zet.


And now I'm bowing out until this calms down because a straight dude (I assume djzombie is straight?) telling gay people how to feel about the f-word is just not something I'm going to deal with today, thanks

[dasva]

Did you just assume that everyone on the internet is a person?

[djzombie]

And now I'm bowing out until this calms down because a straight dude (I assume djzombie is straight?) telling gay people how to feel about the f-word is just not something I'm going to deal with today, thanks

You can assume whatever you like about me, cause I am not a bitch and I don't get butthurt over people using a word that I don't like.

I also don't see anywhere that I told other people how to feel about anything, just asking questions and interjecting my own opinion. If you can't handle someone asking you a question then perhaps you're in the wrong place friend.

Did you just assume that everyone on the internet is a person?

For real, the internet keeps insisting that I am a robot, I might just start self identifying that way. What would my gender be then? Hard as fuck?

[Zetanio]

I don't think this has become heated at all. I'm just answering homie's questions as best I can.