PC Principal thread

[TheDirtyHobo]

Is there no place for the enforcement of normative behavior?

Sure there is, just not from complete strangers under the guise of helping them. Because it doesn't, y'know, help them.

[Lyall]

The whole conversation's giving me a lot to think and reflect on. I'm trying to find out how to quantify this stuff, though:

If a man leaves his wife and kids without explanation, it reflects poorly on him.
If he leaves because he doesn't want to be there anymore, it definitely reflects poorly on him.
If he leaves because he's got severe depression/mental issues or something, it turns into a sympathetic tragedy sort of ordeal.
If he leaves because he decided he's actually a little girl, no one's allowed to criticize?

I mean, I get that gender politics are a huge talking point right now, but this feels a lot like the "You can't criticize trans people" deflector shield being deployed: This person willingly chose to impact eight other people's lives because he didn't feel like he wanted responsibility anymore. Is that okay?

My brain just lacks the infrastructure to process this idea.

[Koul]

because you're trying to be all liberal pro-feelings about it.

It's simple. It's ridiculous and stupid and people like that end up harming the trans- community WAY MORE than they or pussyfoot liberals think.

Most trans people just want to blend in and not cause any commotion so when absurdities like that pop up, they all get clumped together. Making it that much harder on them. Excluding the psycho SJW's on /lgbt/ most of the T's on that board think Stefoknee and the hons like it are a cancer in the T spectrum.

[Lyall]

That's relieving to read, actually. My mindset keeps fixating on the "I'm a six year old girl" part of it, really, but then there's whiplash where I think that that's not really anything beyond prepositional. My false equivalency is that I know people like sex, but if someone told me they were into something that I personally find weird, it still wouldn't matter, because it's not my decision. I realize how I feel doesn't matter in the face of the story, nor should it really, but it's just fucking weird.

...is switching age even a thing? I think part of the mind-boggling comes from not just declaring the difference in gender, but in then also defying maturity roles in society. If someone's mom or dad told their family they were trans, that's one thing to work through and understand, but if they decide to get back into Huggy's and act like a baby, how are you even supposed to maintain a relationship with that person?

I need to stop thinking about this.

[Koul]

age switching isn't a thing. it's a stupid joke. It's complete and absolute Peter Pan syndrome masked with ludicrous claims of being "trans".

that person isn't trans. I don't consider it trans and I would encourage others to not think that's what being trans is. And people like Andalusion who are trying to normalize that behavior or cry TRANSPHOBIA when that behavior is mocked is doing a disservice to the plight trans people face.

Peter Pan syndrome

I also understand that peter pan syndrome isn't an "actual" disorder or in the DSM. But if you spent any ounce of time in the gay community, you would see how real it is.

[Andalusian girls]

Shelter from the mid-life crisis: Just identify as a younger, unmarried man and ditch your wife and kids. Anyone accusing you of flaking out of your responsibilities is just oppressing your true nature and spirit.

Except in this case abandoning your kids is a pretty harmful effect on them. Though that has nothing to do with his preference to be a 6 year old girl I guess. There are lots of people who decide they don't want to adult anymore and run off abandoning various responsibilities.

thankfully there are legal and administrative protocols for dealing with delinquent parents whatever the impetus for their shirking of parental duties.

but i'm not sure if you guys did more than skim the article in question. while it is the DailyMail where the journalistic standards are shall we say lax, the timeline they established was that the individual in question came out as transgender and promptly received an ultimatum from his wife to either revert back to being a male of masculinity or leave which precipitated their separation. following that she experienced homelessness and suicidal behavior, before settling with her new family where she age-regressed. indeed if we were truly concerned with her health and well-being it seems probable her present and decidedly non-nuclear family saved her from the thousand natural shocks the suicidal homeless are heir to.

That's relieving to read, actually. My mindset keeps fixating on the "I'm a six year old girl" part of it, really, but then there's whiplash where I think that that's not really anything beyond prepositional. My false equivalency is that I know people like sex, but if someone told me they were into something that I personally find weird, it still wouldn't matter, because it's not my decision. I realize how I feel doesn't matter in the face of the story, nor should it really, but it's just fucking weird.

indeed rather than a false equivalency i find this to be the perfect analogy. the kinks and fetishes of others may strike us as disturbed and disgusting and unhealthy, but so long as the arrangement is between consenting adults what business is it of ours? why ought we care?

the case in question is obviously complicated by the presence of children but as stated above deadbeat fathers (if that is what it is) are not exactly a phenomenon unique to the transgender community and we have an existing apparatus with which to deal with them

[zoobernut]

I read the article at length. I also think that as uncomfortable as it would have been to "live a lie" it would have been the mature and responsible thing to do to postpone the living as a woman thing until the kids were out of the house. Sometimes parents have to make enormous sacrifices for their kids. That is the reality of being a parent. If this guy wants to cross dress in his own time that is fine but to choose that over his kids doesn't sit well with me.

I think the wife giving an ultimatum like that carries some of the burden as well. There are other ways that the situation could have been handled that could have helped the person in question with their bouts of depression and allowed them to stay as a parent to their kids until the kids were grown up and out of the house or at least in a more stable place in their lives where they would not be wanting the support of both of their parents.

Edit: I also understand there is a delicate balance between taking care of yourself and taking care of your kids because parents who put their kids before themselves 100% of the time can do real damage to their kids and are not as effective at parenting. It is important for Parents to pay attention to their own health mental and physical. I just don't think going full bore and abandoning your family like in the article was appropriate.

I hope at the very minimum that plowing job is helping support the kids at least financially.

[Andalusian girls]

Sometimes parents have to make enormous sacrifices for their kids. That is the reality of being a parent. If this guy wants to cross dress in his own time that is fine but to choose that over his kids doesn't sit well with me.

and i've zero issue with that judgement. the individual in question may indeed be a delinquent piece of shit, i've little idea as judging internal family dynamics from the few paragraphs of a middling journalist is usually unwise and see little reason to rule on matters best dealt with in family court if it must be dealt with by outsiders at all. what i took exception with was the train of people pretending to care about the well-being of the individual in question as they mocked and derided them and threw about sick and disturbed while seeming to take no notice of the fact that embracing the disturbing sickness alleviated this person's anguish. and more generally i have difficulty passing on the opportunity to champion classic liberalism when it comes to other people's lives.

[NynJa]

She says she previously lived as an eight-year-old girl, until the couple's granddaughter asked her to be the younger sister instead.

No one sees a problem with this? She can just up and change her identity as she sees fit?
I'm pretty sure theres a term for this, and its called "pretending". If she truly identified as an 8 year old girl, she wouldnt just go "oh ok, i'll be the younger sister, now I'm 6"

[Tarage]

I have something from the other end of the spectrum. Someone so hilariously bigoted and sexist that he should be mocked off the planet.

Met Alex St. John: http://venturebeat.com/2016/04/16/ga...lave-attitude/

Hilarious hypocrisy to note: He got his ass fired from Microsoft several years ago for... you guessed it, burning out: “He would pass out at his keyboard and straggle into morning meetings with key marks on his face. Worked sucked everything out of him; his marriage disintegrated.”

You'd think that this was as deep as his idiotic rabbit hole went. But no, we haven't even scratched the surface of his sexist bigoted nature. I present to you, straight from his own personal website, the powerpoint presentation on 'Recruiting Giants': http://www.alexstjohn.com/WP/downloa...g%20Giants.pdf

Try not to gag too much.

[jacobs67]

If someone identifies as a 6 year old can someone else be charged with statutory child rape for having sex with them?

[Blubbartron]

I have something from the other end of the spectrum. Someone so hilariously bigoted and sexist that he should be mocked off the planet.

Met Alex St. John: http://venturebeat.com/2016/04/16/ga...lave-attitude/

Hilarious hypocrisy to note: He got his ass fired from Microsoft several years ago for... you guessed it, burning out: “He would pass out at his keyboard and straggle into morning meetings with key marks on his face. Worked sucked everything out of him; his marriage disintegrated.”

You'd think that this was as deep as his idiotic rabbit hole went. But no, we haven't even scratched the surface of his sexist bigoted nature. I present to you, straight from his own personal website, the powerpoint presentation on 'Recruiting Giants': http://www.alexstjohn.com/WP/downloa...g%20Giants.pdf

Try not to gag too much.

Dude's not nearly as sexist as your post makes him out to be. He merely states the reality of the world that you might not want to acknowledge. I take more issue with how much his attitude is shaped by Capitalism. His entire presentation is about doing what's right for the company, and that means being an absolute shitfuck to employees. "Work them too hard, it's the only way to train them"? Wtf. It's hard to imagine someone who used to be a developer actually encouraging that train of thought. You'd think someone that went through it would understand how terrible it can be on a person.

[Melena]

If someone identifies as a 6 year old can someone else be charged with statutory child rape for having sex with them?

Nope since their physical age is at the realm of consent. Age play is a huge thing in the fetish community, especially daddy/daughter play, where the age reverting person is referred to as a little.

Most definitely not my cup of tea, one of those your kink is not my kink and couldn't have a relationship with someone like that. I know of a couple of girls who a day of fun is being put in diapers, given a pacifier, and set in a crib to play.

[Blubbartron]

Nope since their physical age is at the realm of consent. Age play is a huge thing in the fetish community, especially daddy/daughter play, where the age reverting person is referred to as a little.

Most definitely not my cup of tea, one of those your kink is not my kink and couldn't have a relationship with someone like that. I know of a couple of girls who a day of fun is being put in diapers, given a pacifier, and set in a crib to play.

But we're not talking about someone who's admitting to pretending for fun. We're talking about a person who (supposedly) legitimately believes he is actually a 6 year old. The law simply hasn't had an opportunity to react to this new development.

It's also illegal to fuck a retarded person, because they lack the mental capacity to give consent, and this person is pretty obviously retarded, so there's always that to consider.

[Melena]

There's a difference between mental retardation and what this guy is going through. Jesus fuck I'd hope you are smarter than that.

And for a lot of people who do age play, for them they feel they are that age and identify as so during it, to the point if they identify as a toddler or younger, they will only even talk like a baby.

[Tarage]

Dude's not nearly as sexist as your post makes him out to be. He merely states the reality of the world that you might not want to acknowledge. I take more issue with how much his attitude is shaped by Capitalism. His entire presentation is about doing what's right for the company, and that means being an absolute shitfuck to employees. "Work them too hard, it's the only way to train them"? Wtf. It's hard to imagine someone who used to be a developer actually encouraging that train of thought. You'd think someone that went through it would understand how terrible it can be on a person.

So the shit he says about female developers is okay with you? Fuck if you think that's the 'reality of the world'. You don't say that shit.

[dasva]

But at what point do we consider it more than "play"? I mean this guy basically abandoned his life to live as a pampered princess.

[Blubbartron]

So the shit he says about female developers is okay with you? Fuck if you think that's the 'reality of the world'. You don't say that shit.

You mean this shit?

1. Technical women are often quickly promoted for a variety of reasons
• Stronger social skills make them better managers
• Better communication skills often make them better architects, technical writers, QA, or technical support people
2. There may actually be more female engineers but nobody can identify them…

Yeah, I'm totally fine with saying that. Women are more social, and they do tend to have better communication skills. Being technical and having good communication skills makes them very valuable in a wide range of positions. If you see this as anything other than endorsing the positives that women have going for them, then you're just itching for a reason to call someone a sexist.

[Blubbartron]

There's a difference between mental retardation and what this guy is going through. Jesus fuck I'd hope you are smarter than that.

And for a lot of people who do age play, for them they feel they are that age and identify as so during it, to the point if they identify as a toddler or younger, they will only even talk like a baby.

Don't get your panties in a twist, the part about the guy being retarded was obviously a less-serious joke.

Edit: I should add, that again, even though they may choose to act like a baby during the time that they're playing, I guaran-fucking-tee you that if their house caught on fire, they wouldn't allow themselves to burn to death in order to keep up the act. It's a choice, and they're doing it for fun. This guy claims it's not a choice, it's simply who he is. Your points about age play have utterly no relevance because we're discussing something that's tangentially related, but fundamentally different from that.

[Melena]

Don't get your panties in a twist, the part about the guy being retarded was obviously a less-serious joke.

Edit: I should add, that again, even though they may choose to act like a baby during the time that they're playing, I guaran-fucking-tee you that if their house caught on fire, they wouldn't allow themselves to burn to death in order to keep up the act. It's a choice, and they're doing it for fun. This guy claims it's not a choice, it's simply who he is. Your points about age play have utterly no relevance because we're discussing something that's tangentially related, but fundamentally different from that.

Wow, it sounds like I hit a nerve as you flat out called the guy as retarded and would be criminal to fuck them. And obviously this guy doesn't "age identify" 24/7 as he fucking worked plowing snow during the winter, so I doubt she'd let herself burn to death hoping mommy and daddy can rescue her.