PC Principal thread

[Gredival]

Because in the end, it's not total genetic variation we care about it's the certain shared genetic variations that are supposed to define a certain race. And because race is physically determinable, it is often used as a way to instantly categorize people for both nefarious (black guy, better make sure he doesn't rob me!) and innocent (I'm inviting an Arab to my home, I should check to see if he abstains from pork) purposes.

Now you can say race is a social construct in the sense that we place arbitrary importance on those variations because for the most part they are completely unimportant... which is where the whole racism is bad thing comes from. But to deny that those variations exist is to deny science. You don't get white people with Asian epicanthic folds. You don't get black people with ginger red hair. And there are proclivities for medical conditions between certain races that certainly are super relevant for a person and their physician to be aware of.

[zoobernut]

Because in the end, it's not total genetic variation we care about it's the certain shared genetic variations that are supposed to define a certain race. And because race is physically determinable, it is often used as a way to instantly categorize people for both nefarious (black guy, better make sure he doesn't rob me!) and innocent (I'm inviting an Arab to my home, I should check to see if he abstains from pork) purposes.

Now you can say race is a social construct in the sense that we place arbitrary importance on those variations because for the most part they are completely unimportant... which is where the whole racism is bad thing comes from. But to deny that those variations exist is to deny science. You don't get white people with Asian epicanthic folds. You don't get black people with ginger red hair. And there are proclivities for medical conditions between certain races that certainly are super relevant for a person and their physician to be aware of.

The first bold part is a good point. The second bold part is pretty much in line with what I was saying.

[dasva]

You both just made the point for me that race is a subjective human construct.

Genetic variations exist to many varying degrees, but there is no such thing as a point where one race becomes another race without drawing a completely arbitrary line in the sand.

If one person says there's 10 races and another says there's 150, either one of them has to be right or the term "race" has to be arbitrary.

That's not what arbitrary means. Just because different people put the line in different spots doesn't mean the line doesn't exist or is subject to whim.

[archibaldcrane]

For example, albanism affects all races, and is genetic, and produces visually identifiable cues referencing said genetics - but as a culture, we don't consider an African albino to be the same race as a European albino.

We could, but we don't, and that's what people mean by saying race is a social construct. We say "this general collection of gene-expressed characteristics makes up a race, but not this other collection".

[TheDirtyHobo]

If albanism were a trait that theoretically could be considered a hallmark of a particular race, that's saying that two perfectly healthy parents of any given race could give birth to a child of a completely unrelated race. Luckily, it's not. It's a disorder.

[BerenTebogo]

If albanism were a trait that theoretically could be considered a hallmark of a particular race, that's saying that two perfectly healthy parents of any given race could give birth to a child of a completely unrelated race. Luckily, it's not. It's a disorder.

Well so is being Mexican but we all still let that slide.

[archibaldcrane]

If albanism were a trait that theoretically could be considered a hallmark of a particular race, that's saying that two perfectly healthy parents of any given race could give birth to a child of a completely unrelated race.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/def...?itok=x05G5mqW

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[zoobernut]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/def...?itok=x05G5mqW

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That doesn't look like albinism that looks like one of the parents has somewhere in their family history someone with white skin. Which could have been so long ago that no one knew but it is genetically possible for that to happen.

DirtyHobo do you think that two parents of one race can give birth to a child of a different race? Since you are trying to postulate that race exists without human influence you have to take out the societal aspects of it including culture and just look at phenotypical aspects of it. Would you consider a baby with white skin born to two parents with black skin the same race? Realistically would you think that baby would go out to the world and be considered the same race as their parents without any prompting, explanation, or back story?

[archibaldcrane]

It's not albanism. That's my point.

[zoobernut]

It's not albanism. That's my point.

Ah ok I did not catch that. Thanks for clarifying.

[thetruepandagod]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-online.html

[Koul]

My god is he ugly

[GoggleHead]

Why is racist in quotes?

[Blubbartron]

I just... Fuck. Fuck all the human beings that believe and promote this goddamn nonsense. It especially pisses me off because I'm morbidly obese and I don't want people to assume I'm as retarded as these people. Being fat is absolutely unhealthy, and has comorbidities with dozens of serious health issues.

[thetruepandagod]

u should work on that fam

[Galkaeater]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-online.html

Bantus need go back to the jungle!
south africa belongs to the bushmen!

[Zetanio]

Hit the gym, get off of BG, stop eating so much.

[dasva]

I just... Fuck. Fuck all the human beings that believe and promote this goddamn nonsense. It especially pisses me off because I'm morbidly obese and I don't want people to assume I'm as retarded as these people. Being fat is absolutely unhealthy, and has comorbidities with dozens of serious health issues.

I love that the person giving the presentation is so fucking fat.

Also wtf is food justice?

[Modoru]

That's the sort of person who found their "safe space" on tumblr, and refuses to listen to any disagreeing opinion.
The fact that they take this sort of shit seriously, drives me up a wall.

It has nothing to do with white supremacy or the patriarchy. It is absolutely unhealthy. It's not a "moral" obligation, but it IS totally within your control, you fat fucks.

"Fatphobia" and "sizeism" are stupid.

[Zetanio]

Welcome to the thread?