PC Principal thread

[Gadritan]

One or two glasses of wine is perfectly fine for pregnant women. I used to think any amount was terrible until I actually had a kid and learned that it's perfectly normal and in fact healthy in moderation.

I've also worked as a bartender. Depending on the state, you can refuse to serve a customer without giving a reason, like here in NC. You can not, however, give certain reasons for refusal, I.e. race, religion, pregnancy, etc.

[dasva]

Yeah but bartenders refuse alcohol to people for all kinds of random shit all the time. Pretty sure this will end up being a oh looks like she already had a few too many

[Zetanio]

I was under the impression you can refuse service for any reason at all. Bartender's discretion.

[Ksandra]

One or two glasses of wine is perfectly fine for pregnant women.

I'm honestly a little skeptic about this. both times I was preggo it was worded to be like "one glass is ok, but you should avoid it when you can."

My suspicion (no sources) is that it is still risky but it's better to give some women one glass than not at all or they may crash and overdo it one day.

[Zetanio]

It's fine. People go nuts but the only proven impact of alcohol is in heavy-use cases. There is no verifiable evidence on either side for small to moderate consumption of alcohol during pregnancy.

That being said, I think not being able to abstain from alcohol for 9 months is a good barometer for whether you're fit to have a kid.

[Gredival]

I was under the impression you can refuse service for any reason at all. Bartender's discretion.

It's just like at will employment. You can be fired for any reason, including no reason or a bad reason, so long as it's not an illegal one.

To refuse to to serve/sell a pregnant woman is on face discrimination on account of pregnancy/sex.

[Zetanio]

I guess.

I worked as a bartender in New Orleans for a few years and we were told we could refuse service to anyone whenever we wanted to. Didn't have to justify it at all. Louisiana has all sorts of wonky laws though.

[Gadritan]

That's what we're saying. You can refuse without justification, but if you do give a reason out can't be discriminatory.

[Zetanio]

Oh good call. I totally misunderstood.

[archibaldcrane]

The American Academy of Pediatrics suggests there's "no safe amount" of alcohol a pregnant woman can drink, and the CDC agrees.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...nt/136/5/e1395

That said, I agree with the NYC ruling. Weird eh?

[archibaldcrane]

A good explainer:

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/5/10923868...while-pregnant

"Until now, people haven't been able to categorically prove that very low levels of alcohol cause harm," said Bristol genetic epidemiologist Sarah Lewis, the lead author on the study. "But using new techniques, more and more studies are suggesting low levels might have an impact."

[Niiro]

It's a pretty stupid conversation to be having.

Alcohol is a poison, it is harmful to the body, drinking any amount while pregnant is going to adversely effect the fetus, just because the amount is so small that the damage is harder to detect doesn't magically make it not-harmful.

It's like saying "chewing on just a few paint chips doesn't significantly effect childhood brain development," if you have any choice in the matter YOU SHOULD BE AVOIDING IT ENTIRELY.

[Zetanio]

Alcohol is a poison?

[BaneTheBrawler]

Yes.

[Niiro]

I remember it being described as a poison in the way the body binds and eliminates it from the bloodstream, idk how accurate that is technically.

I guess intoxicant is a better term, but the point is that other than the joy of drunkenness it has only harmful effects.

[Gadritan]

Did you read the entire article Archi? Like the part that says "the preponderance of evidence suggest that light drinking during pregnancy probably isn't harmful."

Basically no one has a definitive answer.

That being said, my wife and I still went by the same principal Niiro just mentioned. It's literally a poison, so why risk it?

[zoobernut]

What I have heard from several different pediatricians is that the latest theory is that the stress caused by being stringently anti alcohol is more damaging/riskier than a tiny amount of alcohol. Though this was a a couple years ago so it might have changed again.

Life isn't about completely eliminating all risk that is impossible.

[thetruepandagod]

If a nigga gonna stress over having to not drink alcohol they prolly got a problem fam.

[BerenTebogo]

If a nigga gonna stress over having to not drink alcohol they prolly got a problem fam.

This.

And yes alcohol is a poison.

[Niiro]

I think I know how this all started.

Wife: "If I'm not allowed to drink while I'm pregnant then you aren't either."

Husband Scientist: "..........hang on let me do some research."