PC Principal thread

[TheDirtyHobo]

If a nigga gonna stress over having to not drink alcohol they prolly got a problem fam.

I only drink maybe once every 3 months, and the idea of going 9 months without sounds pretty stressful to me.

[Modoru]

agreed fam.

(i don't drink tho

and i'm also not a woman, so my opinion isn't part of this problem)

[Gredival]

and i'm also not a woman, so I'm part of the problem

ftfy. Remember to stay PC bro.

[Modoru]

ftfy. Remember to stay PC bro.

fuck ur right what was i thinking

[dasva]

It's a pretty stupid conversation to be having.

Alcohol is a poison, it is harmful to the body, drinking any amount while pregnant is going to adversely effect the fetus, just because the amount is so small that the damage is harder to detect doesn't magically make it not-harmful.

It's like saying "chewing on just a few paint chips doesn't significantly effect childhood brain development," if you have any choice in the matter YOU SHOULD BE AVOIDING IT ENTIRELY.

Eh it's logic like that that kind of leads to really stupid stuff and isn't necessarily the best course at the right level. Like for example ionizing radiation. It's always going to cause some damage and so we take the course of maintaining exposure As Low As Reasonably Achievable (well at least when dealing with scary sources. No one gives a shit about all the exposure they don't even know they getting)... despite tons of evidence that low levels not only don't have overall negative impacts but can in fact be positive. Turns out your body has a host of mechanisms to help maintain some form of equilibrium and low levels stressors can produce beneficial responses. Poison is in the dose after all

[zoobernut]

If a nigga gonna stress over having to not drink alcohol they prolly got a problem fam.

That is a weird conclusion to jump to. Alcohol helps people relax and relieves stress from other sources. It isn't stress caused by not drinking that I was talking about.

[Niiro]

Eh it's logic like that that kind of leads to really stupid stuff and isn't necessarily the best course at the right level. Like for example ionizing radiation. It's always going to cause some damage and so we take the course of maintaining exposure As Low As Reasonably Achievable (well at least when dealing with scary sources. No one gives a shit about all the exposure they don't even know they getting)... despite tons of evidence that low levels not only don't have overall negative impacts but can in fact be positive. Turns out your body has a host of mechanisms to help maintain some form of equilibrium and low levels stressors can produce beneficial responses. Poison is in the dose after all

You're not wrong and there's certainly something to be said for the slippery slope argument when it comes to risks during pregnancy but in the specific case of alcohol I still think it's a rather simple matter of something that has a clear potential for harm and that can be easily avoided entirely.

It's the difference between avoiding risk and introducing it, and I'd consider alcohol the latter.

On a more personal note, I just don't see giving up drinking for 9 months to be a big deal, but I don't presume to know everyone's personal relationship with alcohol.

On a more judgemental note, I'd say that if giving up alcohol for 9 months is a big deal then maybe going without could do them some good.

[Niiro]

All that being said, if I was gonna have a child I'd leave the decision up to her.

Not like I'm gonna be around when the kid's born anyway.

[NynJa]

All that being said, if I was gonna have a child I'd leave the decision up to her.

Not like I'm gonna be around when the kid's born anyway.

Except you're not the person thats serving the pregnant mother her Xth glass of wine either. That person might not want it on their conscience that they could be potentially contributing to this child being born all fucked up, and theres nothing they can do about it.

[TheDirtyHobo]

Yes they can, they can just refuse to serve her. They just can't cite her pregnancy as the reason why.

[Salodin]

I plan on not throwing a fit if my future baby momma wants to try a drink. She can't have a whole drink, but if I say "damn babe we should get a few bottles of this", she can at least taste it so she knows what were getting lol.

[archibaldcrane]

Did you read the entire article Archi? Like the part that says "the preponderance of evidence suggest that light drinking during pregnancy probably isn't harmful."

Basically no one has a definitive answer.

That being said, my wife and I still went by the same principal Niiro just mentioned. It's literally a poison, so why risk it?

Yes, I read the whole article, because it shows evidence that light drinking probably isn't harmful (which most studies conclude) and the newest research nethods which may refute that conventional wisdom.

"But for now, the preponderance of evidence suggests light drinking during pregnancy probably isn't harmful. As the evidence evolves, however, that conclusion might change."

[Byrthnoth]

It's pretty easy to draw up a hypothetical mechanism by why alcohol could be terrible for a developing child even at pretty low concentrations. It's rather hard to explain why some women can binge drink and ultimately not affect the fetus. Perhaps they just pick a day when not much is happening in development, or perhaps they would have given birth to Einstein if they hadn't knocked back a few steins.

If a woman has two kids, she will spend about two percent of her life pregnant (both of those percents in the prime of her life). It's not nothing and maternal stress is a big negative indicator for every type of developmental problem, so be understanding. Also, your kid can be fucked up if you do everything right or pretty normal even if you do everything in defiance of current prenatal wisdom. Even if the kid ends up fucked up, don't go counting beers she drank because it all just be some bad genetic dice roll. That said, the prenatal environment is very important and if having a beer during pregnancy increases the odds you have to put up with a little shithead for the rest of your life, it makes sense pass on the fucking beer.

[Modoru]

That said, the prenatal environment is very important and if having a beer during pregnancy increases the odds you have to put up with a little shithead for the rest of your life, it makes sense pass on the fucking beer.

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[thetruepandagod]

That is a weird conclusion to jump to. Alcohol helps people relax and relieves stress from other sources. It isn't stress caused by not drinking that I was talking about.

I'm pretty sure you could cause more stress to any pregnant woman by talking to them about the dangers of mercury poisoning, chemicals in bedding/couches/carpets/plastics,nail polish, and any house built before 2005. As opposed to saying don't drink. Even stress from the mere thought of trying to avoid stress while pregnant is prolly worse. If you can't stay away from alcohol for 9 months you don't deserve to be a parent flat out.

[thetruepandagod]

[thetruepandagod]

[Jaybar]

I wonder if they'd be ok being mentally challenged.

Am I allowed to use that word in this thread? What's the right one.

[BerenTebogo]

This is triggering me

[zoobernut]

I'm pretty sure you could cause more stress to any pregnant woman by talking to them about the dangers of mercury poisoning, chemicals in bedding/couches/carpets/plastics,nail polish, and any house built before 2005. As opposed to saying don't drink. Even stress from the mere thought of trying to avoid stress while pregnant is prolly worse. If you can't stay away from alcohol for 9 months you don't deserve to be a parent flat out.

There are a lot of people who flat out shouldn't be parents and for a lot worse reasons than not being able to avoid alcohol completely for 9 months. Remember we are talking about an occasional glass of wine here not binge drinking or hard alcohol or getting drunk. Big difference.