PC Principal thread

[dasva]

Bah doubled

[archibaldcrane]

And how exactly would we determine just how many companies are hiring because of positive discrimination, or how many people they hire?

We don't have to know the details of how extensive this is (and as you said, none of us do) to see that it's getting swamped by negative discrimination - as all of these "insert black vs. white name on identical resumes" studies demonstrate. My argument isn't "we should do more affirmative action" - it's "don't complain about being white making it harder to get a job, because there's no data to support that and lots of data to support the opposite".

[Ksandra]

I have to side with Archi on this one. You can't complain about wanting science to fix the "problem" when you don't even have scientific data to say it is a problem in the first place.

No offence to nynja, but the job market sucks balls. Thinking that you don't get calls because you are white is really silly without proof. There are way too many factors to make an educated guess. Especially when we don't know how many people get interviewed, what were their qualifications, how did they pair up, etc..

[NynJa]

0 callbacks in 500 plus applications...zero lol.

[Marootsoobutsu]

0 callbacks in 500 plus applications...zero lol.

This tells me your résumé is awful.

[Charismatic]

I honestly can't think of another reason if you're putting it out there like that.
It has to be terrible.

[Charismatic]

EDIT: I swear I only hit submit once.

[Ksandra]

0 callbacks in 500 plus applications...zero lol.

Agreed with others. Your resume either a. sucks or b. you are applying for a severely sought after job.

[Gredival]

And how exactly would we determine just how many companies are hiring because of positive discrimination, or how many people they hire? None of them will admit when they do it. They all use the same bullshit lines about "best candidate for the position" even when it's completely obvious.

In more generic terms, the reason why using positive discrimination to counteract negative discrimination is a horrendously stupid idea is because we can't (legitimately) scientifically measure where the equilibrium point is. Too much positive discrimination for one group ends up becoming negative discrimination for others. The only sane option left is to discourage all forms of discrimination in order to achieve fairness.

As someone who has worked in Title VII enforcement at both the state level and the federal level, I can tell you that EEO agencies collect and scrutinize aggregated data on this on top of investigating every complaint.

Usually when agencies find cause for discrimination, the violations are extremely blatant. When candidates are relatively equal, it's very hard to proceed because there are a multitude of "soft" factors not on paper that are legitimate reasons to prefer one candidate over another. For some employers diversity may give some candidates an edge, but it also swings the other way in the respect that there are multitudes of ways that an employer can justify hiring a white, male, Christian, etc. candidate over the URM because of things like how interviewers believe a candidate will fit within the company culture.

I can tell you by and large many employers don't have a workforce that is representative of the local racial and ethnic distribution. Sometimes it's due to malice, but many times it's because the qualified applicant pool isn't comprised the same way as the locale of the office and agencies are cognizant of that. Agencies follow guidelines that are established in case law, which come down from nuanced studies.

When an EEO agency sues in a class action for disparate impact (systemic discrimination), you can be sure that a company is well and far beyond a mere statistical outlier.

[Salodin]

Can some one explain what's wrong with saying discussion and debate are the best ways to handle offensive Halloween costumes?

[Gredival]

Can some one explain what's wrong with saying discussion and debate are the best ways to handle offensive Halloween costumes?

The fact that we are contemplating that people are allowed to offend others is a micro-aggression and violation of a safe learning environment.

[NynJa]

Ive had my resume redone 3 times. I even had my school do it when they were baffled at my lack of replies

[Salodin]

Sure, if they're dressing up as black face. If they're dressed as a slutty honey bee though? There's a clear line that already falls under the banner of insensitive or racist. Everything else...should be discussed and debated...

[Gredival]

Sure, if they're dressing up as black face. If they're dressed as a slutty honey bee though? There's a clear line that already falls under the banner of insensitive or racist. Everything else...should be discussed and debated...

Tolerance of intolerance will not be tolerated.

[Niiro]

There's a clear line that already falls under the banner of insensitive or racist.

There is?

[Marootsoobutsu]

Ive had my resume redone 3 times. I even had my school do it when they were baffled at my lack of replies

I'm going to die laughing if it's something as stupid as you put in the wrong phone number.

[NynJa]

Nah, everything is accurate. I almost gave the wrong number when i first moved to calgary: a habit of using 514 area code for 28 years

[archibaldcrane]

There is?

Pretty sure as long as you aren't in blackface/stereotypical jew/Mexican/asian you're pretty much in the clear, no?

[archibaldcrane]

Oh or nazi

[archibaldcrane]

Am I missing anything?