PC Principal thread

[Andalusian girls]

Jared Diamond's books are amazing. I read Collapse for an anthropology class in college. There is a link at the end of that video to another video where CGP discusses Gun, Germs, and Steel.

aye i watched their discussion, amused that their two main criticisms are that he is overly reductive in his historical accounts and overly detailed in his evidence. the latter seems a beneficial sin, the former is an inevitability when one is presenting a theory of history and one is forced to allot a single paragraph to an event that can be written about for several thousand pages.

http://www.livinganthropologically.c...rms-and-steel/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAnthropo...thropological/

Mr undomesticable Africa Diamond.

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you obviously haven't read the book (nor have a basic understanding of domestication) as Diamond goes on for some length on the difference between taming an individual animal and domesticating a species.

[thetruepandagod]

aye i watched their discussion, amused that their two main criticisms are that he is overly reductive in his arguments and overly detailed in his evidence. the latter seems at worst a benign sin, the former is an inevitability when one is presenting a theory of history and one is forced to allot a single paragraph to an event that can be written about for several thousand pages.



you obviously haven't read the book, nor have a basic understanding of domestication, as Diamond goes on at some length of the difference between taming an individual animal and domesticating a species.

Agriculture pictures aren't as neat as a hippo harness.

[Andalusian girls]

perhaps not, but for your personal enlightenment;

the thrust is essentially any animal can be tamed, particularly if it bonds with a trainer from infancy, but the phenotypes necessary to both engage in mutualism with homo sapiens and accept selective breeding in captivity (thereby enabling artificial selection) are few and far between, and (with perhaps one or two exceptions) all animals with the requisite genetic traits were domesticated by our preliterate ancestors. view our modern failures, with our recombinant DNA and advanced understanding of eugenics and capacity for artificial insemination, to get favored species to breed in captivity (fuck you pandas) or breed out the aggressive characteristics of cuddly carnivores we wish to turn into house pets.

[thetruepandagod]

If I wanted to be enlightened I wouldn't be shitposting on BG while watching Jurassic World for the umpteenth time.

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Aren't you supposed to be working right now

[Andalusian girls]

educating you is a full time gig

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you're welcome

[Niiro]

Tame:

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Domesticated:

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I may have just wanted an excuse to post the second image.

[Jefe]

Zetanio, start doing your job as a shitty mod, mang.

ANYWAY:

BG's favourite "comedian" and rabid feminist, Amy Schumer and some other nut are stirring shit up again, kinda. So she had a fellow feminist and morbidly obese shemale, Lena Dunham, in her podcast? Idgf, let the fatass do the talking:



Sauce.

[Zetanio]

Dude I'm not a mod. We went over this.

[Tarage]

We have a mod but he hasn't left the can in 7 years.

[Gredival]

Wow, this thread went from mocking PC shit to becoming PC shit.

There is room to recognize the existence of discrimination, both outright and systemic structural types, while also recognizing that college students who talk about triggers are dumb.

One does not need to be isla or Blubb. Sanity lies in the middle.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Best part is Beckham not responding to either the sobbing outrage or the sobbing apology. Which is the correct level of attention deserved to Dunham.

[Roranora]

If I wanted to be enlightened I wouldn't be shitposting on BG while watching Jurassic World for the umpteenth time.

aw come on. this is not shitposting, but actually quality poopdeck:

The science on abortion has truly come a long way.

moreover, the exchange was both amusing and informative overall -- you two bros being buds and of course zebrahippo beasts of burden. and cherry on top: jefe chimes in seeking moderation. it's my favorite flavor of terrible right now

There is room to recognize the existence of discrimination, both outright and systemic structural types, while also recognizing that college students who talk about triggers are dumb.

thx@u

Best part is Beckham not responding to either the sobbing outrage or the sobbing apology. Which is the correct level of attention deserved to Dunham.

this

[tyven]

http://www.livinganthropologically.c...rms-and-steel/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAnthropo...thropological/

Mr undomesticable Africa Diamond.

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bruh that hippo

[BaneTheBrawler]

We have a mod but he hasn't left the can in 7 years.

I'm here. Been busy irl, so my posting's been spotty and sometimes I run a few days behind, but I've been keeping an eye on everything.

I'm not terribly concerned by derails, tbh. Some of BG's best conversations happen in derails, and this thread has a pretty broad range of topics that are relevant, if not precisely on-topic.

My chief concern is when people start getting nasty to one another. Second to that is trolling, but that's always hard to nail down. After that are nonsensical derails, like dip recipes and shit.

I've enjoyed this particular derail, and as Gred says, there's room to mock the ridiculous AND accept the realities. This thread was intended to provide an avenue for the former, separate from the existing threads nominally tasked with the latter, but those threads have since died, because apparently BG leans rather heavily towards the mockery. So at least now we have a mockery thread containing surprising insight, instead of an insight thread almost exclusively composed of mockery. Effectively the same, but people react more favorably to the former.

Anyway, carry on.

[BerenTebogo]

That was a pretty long post to say "shut the fuck up"

[Blubbartron]

There is room to recognize the existence of discrimination, both outright and systemic structural types, while also recognizing that college students who talk about triggers are dumb.

One does not need to be isla or Blubb. Sanity lies in the middle.

I like how you imply that I'm so far on the right, even though I'm the one in the middle. With your talk of "systemic structural discrimination", you're closer to Isladar than you think. That you would have the gall to suggest that you're in the middle when you've frequently talked about patriarchy, privilege, and a whole host of other well-known SJW tripe is amazing to me.

[Gredival]

I like how you imply that I'm so far on the right, even though I'm the one in the middle. With your talk of "systemic structural discrimination", you're closer to Isladar than you think. That you would have the gall to suggest that you're in the middle when you've frequently talked about patriarchy, privilege, and a whole host of other well-known SJW tripe is amazing to me.

And this just demonstrates how off-kilter your scale is.

You literally don't believe there is any chance that there is systemic discrimination ingrained in modern American society despite the fact that police brutality coincidentally just happens to result in the disproportion deaths of black persons and judges let rapists off easy because a "mistake" shouldn't ruin a young man's life? The only times I have ever seen you assert or agree that someone or some group was being treated unfairly is when SJWs go after white men.

The fact that SJWs are delusional about how we fight discrimination and what constitutes discrimination does not mean discrimination does not exist. Not everything Hitler agreed with was wrong and not everything Martin Luther King Jr. agreed with was right. You don't need to believe in trigger warnings and censorship to realize that those who are different are the ones who suffer most in society.

I'm the one who ran isla off when I stepped up to her "bad words" policy. And according to Maz, I was responsible for hey committing suicide because I wasn't willing to make this forum a safe place for her. But my unwillingness to sanitize the world doesn't mean that I don't believe transgendered persons experience discrimination and that it's important for people to be able to discuss it.

While I definitely don't agree with what you have to say most of the time, remember that the mere fact that I defend your right to remain here and say it regardless of who it offends is a cardinal sin in SJW methodology.

[Blubbartron]

And this just demonstrates how off-kilter your scale is.

You literally don't believe there is any chance that there is systemic discrimination ingrained in modern American society despite the fact that police brutality coincidentally just happens to result in the disproportion deaths of black persons and judges let rapists off easy because a "mistake" shouldn't ruin a young man's life? The only times I have ever seen you assert or agree that someone or some group was being treated unfairly is when SJWs go after white men.

The fact that SJWs are delusional about how we fight discrimination and what constitutes discrimination does not mean discrimination does not exist. Not everything Hitler agreed with was wrong and not everything Martin Luther King Jr. agreed with was right. You don't need to believe in trigger warnings and censorship to realize that those who are different are the ones who suffer most in society.

I'm the one who ran isla off when I stepped up to her "bad words" policy. And according to Maz, I was responsible for hey committing suicide because I wasn't willing to make this forum a safe place for her. But my unwillingness to sanitize the world doesn't mean that I don't believe transgendered persons experience discrimination and that it's important for people to be able to discuss it.

While I definitely don't agree with what you have to say most of the time, remember that the mere fact that I defend your right to remain here and say it regardless of who it offends is a cardinal sin in SJW methodology.

Good strawman. The thing you seem to be failing to understand is that a refutation on the positive claim that systemic discrimination exists is not itself a positive claim of the opposite. I don't believe that it's *impossible* for systemic discrimination to exist. But I do believe that there is not sufficient evidence to make the claim that it definitely does. All evidence that has been offered is easily explained by other factors.

There was a time in our history when laws openly and clearly discriminated against certain groups. Those days are decades behind us. You might say the effects are still being felt generations later, but to suggest the discrimination itself is still happening is currently lacking in evidence.

Lastly, I recognize that you aren't full-blown SJW. That's why I said you're closer to Isla than you think. You're too willing to "listen and believe" instead of telling people to fuck off or present actual evidence to truly be among the rational middle ground.

[Drai]

I mean, isn't the middle still a pretty wide margin? Gred is obviously centrist with left leanings a good chunk of the time, and Blubb is obviously pretty far right, if he considers himself centrist he's like, right on the edge from tipping full on over to the right if so.

[Gredival]

Good strawman. The thing you seem to be failing to understand is that a refutation on the positive claim that systemic discrimination exists is not itself a positive claim of the opposite. I don't believe that it's *impossible* for systemic discrimination to exist. But I do believe that there is not sufficient evidence to make the claim that it definitely does.

Then you are in denial.

All evidence that has been offered is easily explained by other factors. There was a time in our history when laws openly and clearly discriminated against certain groups. Those days are decades behind us. You might say the effects are still being felt generations later, but to suggest the discrimination itself is still happening is currently lacking in evidence.

The text of the law does not need to discriminate for discrimination to exist.

Let me tell you about one of the first cases I ever worked on. Black father and son that run a painting business. They are out on site painting a house when they start to get low on paint. Father says he's going to Home Depot to get some more cans and he'll be back shortly.

When he comes back, his son is forty feet up in a tree. Police rule it a suicide.The organization I was with was representing the father and mother to get the investigation and medical records for their son. Sheriff was withholding them because the Klan is still well-connected (if the fact that a kid that's forty feet up in a tree gets called a suicide wasn't evidence of that).

But I mean if you don't think there's any evidence of discrimination when police involved deaths all over the country involve black victims, then I'm sure this probably doesn't move you.

Lastly, I recognize that you aren't full-blown SJW. That's why I said you're closer to Isla than you think. You're too willing to "listen and believe" instead of telling people to fuck off or present actual evidence to truly be among the rational middle ground.

And the fact you won't even listen to victims of protected classes and refuse to take a hard look at what's going on, but are more than willing to pity the poor white men that SJWs go after, shows you are nowhere near the middle.