PC Principal thread

[Blubbartron]

I mean, isn't the middle still a pretty wide margin? Gred is obviously centrist with left leanings a good chunk of the time, and Blubb is obviously pretty far right, if he considers himself centrist he's like, right on the edge from tipping full on over to the right if so.

Obviously how? Obviously like my being a registered Democrat and voting for Bernie in the primary? Obviously like voting for Obama twice? Obviously like supporting nationalized medicine as a basic human right? Or obviously like believing that every person deserves a wage that they can live off of, no matter how menial their job may be?

You guys that have convinced yourself that my political beliefs are even remotely on the right are fucking delusional. I'm centrist leaning left. I just don't buy into everything the left proclaims, because I've been duped by their bullshit before. Evidence is required before believing anything now, and anecdotes (looking at you, Gred) are not evidence.

[Gredival]

Evidence is required before believing anything now, and anecdotes (looking at you, Gred) are not evidence.

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Logic 101 with Professor Gred



1. A universal negative statement such as "X does not exist" can be disproven with one counter-factual. For example "Zebras don't exist" is disproven by evidence of the existence of one Zebra.
2. An anecdote, if taken as true, is evidence of the existence of its referential circumstance. For example "I have seen a Zebra" is evidence that one Zebra exists.

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C. Therefore the statement "X does not exist" is disproven by an anecdote that someone has seen X.




Pro-tip: Replace Zebra with Discrimination.

[Drai]

Obviously how? Obviously like my being a registered Democrat and voting for Bernie in the primary? Obviously like voting for Obama twice? Obviously like supporting nationalized medicine as a basic human right? Or obviously like believing that every person deserves a wage that they can live off of, no matter how menial their job may be?

You guys that have convinced yourself that my political beliefs are even remotely on the right are fucking delusional. I'm centrist leaning left. I just don't buy into everything the left proclaims, because I've been duped by their bullshit before. Evidence is required before believing anything now, and anecdotes (looking at you, Gred) are not evidence.

I mean, I have no clue how you voted, I base my assumption completely on your posts and responses to people in these threads, Gred has already pointed out examples so I'll let that dead horse rest for now.

[tyven]

Don't you guys get it? Blubb is clearly a bastion of liberal ideals . He's just so fucking woke that he's also alt right.

[Gredival]

He's just so fucking woke that he's also alt right.

[Blubbartron]

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Logic 101 with Professor Gred



1. A universal negative statement such as "X does not exist" can be disproven with one counter-factual. For example "Zebras don't exist" is disproven by evidence of the existence of one Zebra.
2. An anecdote, if taken as true, is evidence of the existence of its referential circumstance. For example "I have seen a Zebra" is evidence that one Zebra exists.

____________________

C. Therefore the statement "X does not exist" is disproven by an anecdote that someone has seen X.




Pro-tip: Replace Zebra with Discrimination.

You know who else is a huge fan of the motte and bailey tactic you just used? SJWs.

You initially were making claims about "systemic discrimation" but now it's discrimination in general. Congrats on your fallacious argumentation strategy, professor.

[Blubbartron]

I mean, I have no clue how you voted, I base my assumption completely on your posts and responses to people in these threads, Gred has already pointed out examples so I'll let that dead horse rest for now.

You're letting other peoples' opinions of me influence your own opinion. Either that, or you haven't read any of my posts from like a year ago in the politics thread. If you're basing it off this thread primarily, realize that the reason this thread exists is because of people believing things without proper justification. That's something that all humans do, regardless of where they lie on the political spectrum.

[Gredival]

You know who else is a huge fan of the motte and bailey tactic you just used? SJWs.

You initially were making claims about "systemic discrimation" but now it's discrimination in general. Congrats on your fallacious argumentation strategy, professor.

For someone screaming strawman a few posts ago it sure seems like you're a big fan. Because I can literally still use the same exact argument for systemic discrimination that I just used for regular discrimination. Unless you're actually going to tell me that a culture of corruption and targeted brutality from police shouldn't count as "systemic" because it's not in written law?

[Blubbartron]

For someone screaming strawman a few posts ago it sure seems like you're a big fan. Because I can literally still use the same exact argument for systemic discrimination that I just used for regular discrimination. Unless you're actually going to tell me that a culture of corruption and targeted brutality from police shouldn't count as "systemic" because it's not in written law?

The motte and bailey was simply the first thing to jump out at me, because of the irony. The reality is you still haven't shown any evidence that the differences in statistics are because of racism/sexism-based discrimination. Are there some racist cops? Sure. There's also racist college admissions officers, discriminating against white people. But I wouldn't call it systemic discrimination, because it's not the system that is doing it. It's an individual (or small collection of individuals) doing it. When it happens, it's usually happening despite the system attempting to prevent it.

When you're discussing discrimination against a person for things that are protected classes, the reasons for the differences in treatment/statistics matter. More black people get shot by cops than white people. Black people also commit more violent crime per capita than white people. I forget the exact stats, but it's something like blacks commit 40% of murders despite being only 13% of the population (possibly out of date figures, but I doubt they've changed drastically). So if a cop is in process of apprehending a random black person, they're statistically more likely to be trying to arrest a violent killer than if they were catching a white guy. Cops are going to be aware of trends like this, even if only at a gut "stereotyping" level. That influences how they act on a subconscious level, but it also means their hands are likely to be forced more often in some cases than others. The point of all this is that you need to really examine the actual reasons that things have turned out the way they have. Most of the time these days it's not racism, but reality.

It's a monumental task to prove that someone's actions were a direct result of racism/sexism (because it essentially requires mind reading unless they fucked up and wrote their bigotry down explicitly), and it's an even bigger task to prove that an entire system is designed with racist/sexist intentions.

[Blubbartron]

Anyway, I've posted enough about my political thoughts for one day, so enjoy this picture that's more in the spirit of this thread.

[Fiye]

Oh man Unbiased America is totally a centrist news organisation.

No wait all I see from them are right winged themed memes.

[Headspace]

Can this thread go back to the way it was?

With the Eliot Rodgers' of BG complaining about SJW and womyn oppressing them


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[thetruepandagod]

Oh my Lawd is this real life?
ISIS Bans Burqas: Islamic State Deems Hijab A Security Problem In Iraq
http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-bans-bur...m-iraq-2411854

[Koul]

islamaphobia strikes again

[dasva]

judges let rapists off easy because a "mistake" shouldn't ruin a young man's life? .

Who is being systematically discriminated against in this example though? By the way it's written I'd assume women but statistically speaking it's quiet the opposite. So systematic discrimination against rape victims? Seems more a condemnation of the court systems and a problem with how much leeway to give judges for situations that honestly are extenuating without allowing them to make decisions on pure feels

[archibaldcrane]

I herd you liek systemic racial bias in yer auto lending
Toyota:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...202-story.html

Honda:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...714-story.html

Ally Financial (GM):
http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/20/news...iscrimination/

[Tarage]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...htmlstory.html

Now, I'm not going to lie and claim this was a completely innocent display. A college republican group put it out. But this is not the way you start a dialog. This is flat out censorship. I'm not at all surprised though. To these people, the end justifies the means.

[archibaldcrane]

That's pretty innocent to me. You don't need to disrespect 9/11 victims in order to call for a larger examination of the fallout from 9/11 or even the symbol of the flag.

I guess the only strange thing is planting American flags for every victim, even if they weren't American, but the article doesn't suggest anyone took issue with that.

[dasva]

Looks innocent to me too. Sounds like some people are more having an issue with who put out the display than the actual display and it's message itself. Damn those dirty college republicans I don't know what it is exactly but this must be a nefarious scheme by them! And then some just general fuck America and the flag stuff

Some of those responses are hilarious though.

“When this institution allows thousands of American flags to be placed in the center of campus, it speaks volumes to the students that have lived their lives under the oppression of this flag. From Native students whose land was stolen to undocumented students who live in fear of deportation to black students who see their communities destroyed by state-sanctioned murder, this school is saying your fear and trauma do not matter here.”

[Dimmauk]

Don't you guys get it? Blubb is clearly a bastion of liberal ideals . He's just so fucking woke that he's also alt right.

I heard we aren't allowed to say "you guys" anymore. SJWs have decided to ban that phrase.