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any resources/charts for planning multi-step skill chains? even current ws charts with all RME ws and quested/merited ws would be a start
EDIT: http://www.ffxicalculator.com/
my real question is what's the most WS's MNK can use in a row to make a multi step skill chain (and which are used and in what sequence) but seeing examples of other jobs' multistep skillchains might help me grasp the mechanics
SAM can do 6 step, closing with light (which ws sequence is that offhand?)
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THF can apparently also do the same closing with Dark? (which ones, sequence etc)
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DNC can apparently do 5 step?
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PLD
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DRK 4 step and 3 step, scyth
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MNK (5 step, 7 step, including each successive SC name within the multi step skillchain, mad props to vm0d)
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DRG (lots of options, relic and non-relic, big kudos to Kensagaku)
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RNG (bow, gun, crossbow, also "melee hijinx")
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COR 4 step
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BLU double light 3 step, and 4 step multi step SC
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anyone else have experience on other jobs doing multi step skillchains? (3 or more)
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2015-11-08 14:07 #1Old Merits
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Multi-Step Skill Chains
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2015-11-08 15:17 #2Relic Shield
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starting off by building AM3 with koga: rana > shoha > fudo > kasha > shoha > fudo. Then I just 5-step by starting with shoha.
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2015-11-08 15:51 #3New Spam Forum
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THF: Exenterator or Shark Bite > Rudra's > Mandalic > Evis > Rudra's > Rudra's
PLD: Requiescat > Savage > CDC > Atonement > Savage > CDC
BST also has the potential, even without using a pet, but I forget offhand which WSs they are. DRG and RDM can also do this if they have relic WSs. BLU can use Chain Affinity for Fusion, too. For most jobs and WSs though, there is likely going to be more damage and consistency if you can configure a big SC with multiple people instead of relying on one person to go solo.
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2015-11-08 16:12 #4Relic Horn
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DRKs using Scythes can do Insurgency > Entropy > Quietus > Quietus for double Darkness.
Great sword can't do a 3-step or 4-step skillchain without using weak weaponskills or Ragnarok (which is very outclassed).
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2015-11-08 16:20 #5
Evisceration to (Shark Bite or Exenterator) to (PK or Rudra's) to Evisc to Rudra's
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2015-11-08 17:47 #6Old Merits
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so conceivably MNK should be able to Ascentic's Fury > Victory Smite > Shijin Spiral > Asuran Fists > Victory Smite > Shijin Spiral?
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would I be better off using Glanzfaust or play around with magian Occasionally Attacks 2-4 times weapon? Obviously I'd need a lot of buffs to attempt this multi-step. Perhaps even Chastisers for TP Bonus?
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2015-11-08 18:21 #7Relic Shield
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I believe it's their properties that allows me to chain them like that. I make fragmentation > distortion > fusion > light > light via 6 step. Don't think you can chain them nilly willy just by how you obtain the ws itself.
By the time I get the last fudo for 2nd light, I have maybe a 2 second window to end it properly (from the moment I hit the ws macro), otherwise the 2nd light won't even happen. So multi-hit setup/capped haste is pretty much needed.
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2015-11-08 19:10 #8
IIRC your skillchain window gets shorter every WS, so indefinitely skillchain circles are impossible.
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2015-11-08 19:24 #9Stalking you
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Originally Posted by Howie Roary
ascetic's fury > victory smite > no sc.
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Distortion→Fusion = Fusion
Fusion→Gravitation = Gravitation
Gravitation→Fragmentation = Fragmentation
Fragmentation→Distortion = Distortion
Fusion←→Fragmentation = Light
Gravitation←→Distortion = Darkness
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Dragon Kick Fragmentation
Shijin Spiral Fusion/Reverberation
Ascetic's Fury Fusion/Transfixion
Asuran Fists Gravitation/Liquefaction
Victory Smite Light/Fragmentation
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this should work:
Ascetic's Fury(Fusion)→Asuran Fists(Gravitation) = Gravitation SC→Victory Smite(Fragmentation) = Fragmentation SC→Ascetic's Fury(Fusion) = Light SC→Victory Smite(Light) = D.Light SC
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if you need more setps, you could:
Howling Fist→Shijin Spiral→Reverberation SC→Howling Fist→Impaction SC→Backhand Blow→Detonation SC→One Inch Punch→Gravitation SC→Victory Smite→Fragmentation SC→Ascetic's Fury→Light SC→Victory Smite→D.Light SC
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fun fact:
[scission>detonation>scission>etc...] and [liquefaction>scission>liquefaction>etc...] will chain infinitely.
scission/detonation uniquely has 3 weaponskills with both elements: bora axe, tachi: jinpu, and dancing edge.
therefore, you can (theoretically) make an infinite chain with those ws.
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2015-11-08 20:10 #10
Level 1 skillchains are typically not worth doing if you have an easier two-step T3 option because anything that has enough HP to warrant long SCs also has methods by which it can interrupt them (stun, amnesia, knockback+bind, terror, break, etc.). This is particularly true when you end up using worse WSs in order to accomplish it. I rarely do more than 3-step skillchains in Sinister Reign because there are just too many ways for shit to interrupt you.
Also, it might actually not be possible to do skillchains longer than 7 WSs.
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2015-11-09 11:47 #11Salvage Bans
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Well if we're adding to the list, I'll toss on some of my DRG ones.
Drakesbane > Stardiver (Gravitation) > Camlainn's (Fragmentation) > Drakesbane (Light) > Camlainn's (Double Light) is my favorite 5-step.
If you really, really wanted to max out those steps you could also do this with relic:
Geirskogul > Drakesbane (Fusion) > Stardiver (Gravitation) > Camlainn's (Fragmentation) > Drakesbane (Light) > Camlainn's (Double Light)
or non-Relic:
Stardiver > Sonic Thrust (Distortion) > Drakesbane (Fusion) > Stardiver (Gravitation) > Camlainn's (Fragmentation) > Drakesbane (Light) > Camlainn's (Double Light)
For Darkness, our multi-step is really limited. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head aside from Geirskogul > Stardiver are these:
Stardiver > Sonic Thrust (Distortion) > Stardiver (Darkness)
Penta Thrust > Stardiver (Transfixion) > Sonic Thrust (Distortion) > Stardiver (Darkness)
Edit: Only just noticed the OP was just looking for H2h and the rest was supplementary. Whoops. XD
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2015-11-09 12:10 #12Old Merits
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more than happy to include other jobs, I think multi step ws are really interesting, I've been editing the OP to include people's replies for other jobs Originally Posted by Kensagaku
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2015-11-09 12:17 #13Old Merits
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any club ones and staff ones? I bet k club and merc pole could throw some together nicely
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2015-11-09 13:54 #14Stalking you
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HR didn't ask for executable sc~ Originally Posted by Byrthnoth
i agree that most jobs with trust buffs only would find it difficult to do more than 3-step, even excluding exterior forces.
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anyways, rng:
bow:
3-step: jishnu (fusion) → apex (fragmentation) → light sc → jishnu (light) → d.light sc
4-step: namas (distortion) → apex (fragmentation) → fragmentation sc → jishnu (fusion) → light sc → jishnu (light) → d.light sc
gun:
typically just [coro/tf ←→ last stand → light sc] or [coro/wf → coro/wf → dark sc]
3-step: wildfire (gravitation) → trueflight (fragmentation) → fragmentation sc → last stand (fusion) → light sc
4-step: Slug Shot (transfixion) → Trueflight (scission) → distortion SC → Wildfire (gravitation) → dark sc → Wildfire/Coronach (dark) → d.dark sc
note: cannot open with detonator because (det>tf>light sc)
bow+gun:
3-step: jishnu (fusion) → coronach or trueflight (fragmentation) → light sc → jishnu (light) → d.light sc
3-step: wildfire (gravitation) → namas (distortion) → dark sc → wildfire/coronach (dark) → d.dark sc
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2015-11-09 14:44 #15Ridill
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Should be able to go farther with rng if you do some crazy melee hijinks.
Last Stand -> Wildfire (Gravitation) -> TF (Frag) -> Ruinator (Distortion) -> Wildfire (Darkness) -> Coro/WF (double D)
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Ever try FFXI Calculator? http://www.ffxicalculator.com/
He's what it pulled for 6 step level 3 (Light) dagger RME all weapon skills. No idea if these work/create a skillchain every step of the way.
It's big you've been warned.
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2015-11-09 16:41 #17I think FFXI should be Free-2-Play
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COR magical WS 4 steps: Leaden salute > Aeolian edge (distortion SC) > leaden salute (Darkness SC) > Wildfire (D.dark).
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2015-11-09 18:28 #18Relic Weapons
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Are doing these long skillchain, comprised mostly of lv1/2 SCs, worth doing over getting out as many double light/darkness as quickly as possible?
In other words, is the double light/dark at the end of a 6step stronger than double light/dark at the end of a 3 step?
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2015-11-09 19:48 #19Ridill
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Kind of depends on weaponskills being used and of course if it's 1/2s or just 2s.
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2015-11-09 19:49 #20Relic Horn
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While they are stronger, I would personally not go for solo skillchains longer than 4 step or so, and even then only if you don't have to use very weak weaponskills. The longer the skillchain, the more chances it has of getting screwed up through no fault of your own. You could get stunned, amnesiad, slowed, have to put on PDT and gain TP too slow for the next step, miss a weaponskill if using single hit weaponskills, etc.
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