Reisenjima Mega Thread

**Lyramion** · 2015-12-14 06:46

5% and 8% on separate attempts

My condolences. She really is just that much of a bitch at low HP.

It's very clear SE included the full use of all the temporary items in these fights. Our main PT WHM did such a great job using his also. PLDs also had to shell out full array of silt to rebuy almost everything after attempts. The 10 minute manawall tip seems great tho. Will use that next time.

**Sechs** · 2015-12-14 06:48

Originally Posted by Protey

You remember how delve was pretty difficult until people got clears and the weapons from the boss?

More until SE patched weapons to add +skill etc I'd dare to say

But yeah I get what you and vm0d are saying.
If that's how things will turn out to be (some form of nerfs after a few months) I'll be super fine with it, sounds pretty cool actually.

**fantasticdan** · 2015-12-14 06:51

Originally Posted by Protey

You remember how delve was pretty difficult until people got clears and the weapons from the boss? I imagine it will be something like that. That once you have the aeonic weapons, doing the ultimate skillchain will cause these NMs to proc and be terror'd for a long time or take massive amounts of HP off them, or some other cheap thing that makes them way easier than what we are seeing now.

Either that or aeonic weapons will be as useless as they look, and SC/MB bonuses won't outweigh the pre-reqs to activate them.

**vm0d** · 2015-12-14 06:55

Originally Posted by fantasticdan

Either that or aeonic weapons will be as useless as they look, and SC/MB bonuses won't outweigh the pre-reqs to activate them.

they really seem like more of a trophy, like job master.

**Protey** · 2015-12-14 14:48

Originally Posted by fantasticdan

Either that or aeonic weapons will be as useless as they look, and SC/MB bonuses won't outweigh the pre-reqs to activate them.

The way I look at the description is that not only do you get the additional damage from having higher DMG, skills, and stats on the weapon... you also have the extra damage from the ultimate skillchain being higher than light/dark (think of the extra damage from doing double light/dark, this would be like doing triple light/dark), and you also have the extra skillchain and extra magic burst damage bonuses that are listed on the weapon. So not only are you getting the extra damage from the higher tier SC, you are also getting the extra SC/MB damage on top of that.

**Fwahm** · 2015-12-14 14:56

Who knows, maybe the level 4 SCs will have high enough multipliers on magic bursts that double magic bursting with normal nukes will outdo Death, even with elemental magic penalty..

**vm0d** · 2015-12-14 18:11

Originally Posted by Protey

The way I look at the description is that not only do you get the additional damage from having higher DMG, skills, and stats on the weapon... you also have the extra damage from the ultimate skillchain being higher than light/dark (think of the extra damage from doing double light/dark, this would be like doing triple light/dark), and you also have the extra skillchain and extra magic burst damage bonuses that are listed on the weapon. So not only are you getting the extra damage from the higher tier SC, you are also getting the extra SC/MB damage on top of that.

i totally think you're correct in your reading.

however, our current meta is setups of only one: ranged, magical, melee.

if these weapons encourage more physical sc+mb (aside from just sam+blms) on higher lvl content (lower lvl stuff dies long before you get to t4 sc/mb), then they will certainly be more useful than i expect.

**EjinCaitsith** · 2015-12-14 19:24

The only way I can see level 4 SCs being worth using in the current meta would be if they completely remove the resist wall.

I envision 12 BLM using death at the same time for 1.2M damage in 1 skillchain. 2 shot WoC anyone?

**fantasticdan** · 2015-12-14 19:42

Originally Posted by Protey

The way I look at the description is that not only do you get the additional damage from having higher DMG, skills, and stats on the weapon...

They don't actually have higher stats than reis augmented weapons thou. The extra skill only amounts to 27 atk and something like 22 acc, which is far less than you can get on a reis weapons, and only applies to one hand. For nuking jobs, the base/augmented int/mab on reis staff should outweigh the mdmg on aeonic, which again should be less accurate as well.

Originally Posted by Protey

you also have the extra damage from the ultimate skillchain being higher than light/dark (think of the extra damage from doing double light/dark, this would be like doing triple light/dark), and you also have the extra skillchain and extra magic burst damage bonuses that are listed on the weapon. So not only are you getting the extra damage from the higher tier SC, you are also getting the extra SC/MB damage on top of that.

Ultimate skillchains would have to have a totally insane multiplier (many times the damage of level 2 light/dark) to make up for the shitty WS involved (requiescat, extenerator, etc), which clearly isn't the case going by the video they showed.

The only saving grace I could see is the possible MB bonuses for nuking setups, but will the bullshit involved with activating these aftermaths and doing ultimate skillchains be worth the effort compared to just using stronger baseline weapons and playing more conventionally? Somehow I doubt it.

**dasva** · 2015-12-14 20:01

Originally Posted by fantasticdan

Ultimate skillchains would have to have a totally insane multiplier (many times the damage of level 2 light/dark) to make up for the shitty WS involved (requiescat, extenerator, etc), which clearly isn't the case going by the video they showed.

Not all merit ws are crappy though and they still continue to say "appropriate" weaponskill for closing so it's still highly in the realm of possibilities of using a "shitty" ws for aftermath then closing with something awesomer

**vm0d** · 2015-12-14 21:26

Originally Posted by dasva

Not all merit ws are crappy though and they still continue to say "appropriate" weaponskill for closing so it's still highly in the realm of possibilities of using a "shitty" ws for aftermath then closing with something awesomer

if i can activate AM with exen and close with rudra's, i'm all in. lol

**Ramzii** · 2015-12-15 01:38

Originally Posted by EjinCaitsith

The only way I can see level 4 SCs being worth using in the current meta would be if they completely remove the resist wall.

I envision 12 BLM using death at the same time for 1.2M damage in 1 skillchain. 2 shot WoC anyone?

This may already be possible without theoretical Aeonic buffs.

Previously we assumed that the MB dmg reduction occurred after the damage was reduced to 99,999, but upon testing me and Mojo found that this may not actually be the case.

Normally when we'd cast Death too close to each other, we'd always see the 2nd Death do approximately 36k damage, but we weren't seeing this trend with Sarasok today, which makes us think that our base death damage just isn't high enough. Even unbursted, Death had no troubles reaching 99,999 (no BoG or Gambit), so we tried casting Death at the same time which landed almost immediately after Noctohelix, and we both did 99,999 still.

That being said, with enough buffs and debuffs, it may actually be possible to do 12x Death for 99,999 each in 1 MB on WoC, as long as it is pre-bracelets. I may give this a try soon since we have 10x Death BLM in the LS (12 pretty soon) so we can at least pull off a similar scale. I suspect that with Gambit/Rayke + Bolster Malaise/Languor we'll probably be able to do 10x Death for 100k each. With our current 10 man setups we never do less than 100k pre-bracelets and that's without gambit, rayke, or even BoG malaise as well.

**EjinCaitsith** · 2015-12-15 02:11

Originally Posted by Ramzii

That being said, with enough buffs and debuffs, it may actually be possible to do 12x Death for 99,999 each in 1 MB on WoC, as long as it is pre-bracelets. I may give this a try soon since we have 10x Death BLM in the LS (12 pretty soon) so we can at least pull off a similar scale. I suspect that with Gambit/Rayke + Bolster Malaise/Languor we'll probably be able to do 10x Death for 100k each. With our current 10 man setups we never do less than 100k pre-bracelets and that's without gambit, rayke, or even BoG malaise as well.

This reminded me of a post Byrth made a while back about theoretical Death damage:

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

So you could imagine taking a 39k non-MBed Death spell against a neutral target and then cast it instead on a monster with 50 MDB that has Vidohunir/Shattersoul active (-10 MDB) and Bolstered Geo-Malaise (-90 MDB) (78k damage) as an MB with +101% magic burst damage on a 4-step skillchain (439k damage) with Soldier's Drink on (658k). Boom, unresistable headshot.

Maybe we should be hoping for level 4 SCs allowing us to break the 99K damage cap instead. Even with -60%(-30% after rayke and -30% bracelets) you're still looking at 658K + 263K *(11) = 3.5M damage in one skillchain... 1 shot WoC anyone?

**vm0d** · 2015-12-15 03:33

Originally Posted by Tachi

Gajasimha seems to lvl up when it cure or buff itself. Fulmination <35% (even without lvl up) and can spam it. Can be Silenced/Stunned.

mb comet proc'd white repeatedly.

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strophadia:

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ironside:

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sarsaok:

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bashmu:

have to try a couple more, but it appears that the weaponskill removed the head both times.
both ws were performed during bashmu normal melee attacks.

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information we started with:

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**Mojo** · 2015-12-15 05:16

Originally Posted by Ramzii

This may already be possible without theoretical Aeonic buffs.

Previously we assumed that the MB dmg reduction occurred after the damage was reduced to 99,999, but upon testing me and Mojo found that this may not actually be the case.

Normally when we'd cast Death too close to each other, we'd always see the 2nd Death do approximately 36k damage, but we weren't seeing this trend with Sarasok today, which makes us think that our base death damage just isn't high enough. Even unbursted, Death had no troubles reaching 99,999 (no BoG or Gambit), so we tried casting Death at the same time which landed almost immediately after Noctohelix, and we both did 99,999 still.

That being said, with enough buffs and debuffs, it may actually be possible to do 12x Death for 99,999 each in 1 MB on WoC, as long as it is pre-bracelets. I may give this a try soon since we have 10x Death BLM in the LS (12 pretty soon) so we can at least pull off a similar scale. I suspect that with Gambit/Rayke + Bolster Malaise/Languor we'll probably be able to do 10x Death for 100k each. With our current 10 man setups we never do less than 100k pre-bracelets and that's without gambit, rayke, or even BoG malaise as well.

I think it may be possible to hit 100k with magic adjustment and bracelets up given that the following are true.

- The magic damage adjustment is calculated pre cap (as it would seem we observed tonight)
- The magic damage adjustment caps at -60%
- Rayke halves the effective magic damage adjustment (so -30%)

I still wouldn't say we can be 100% certain about any of these assertions, However, if they are true, then Death would only need to deal 143k pre adjustment damage in order to always do 100k post adjustment and cap. I know this is possible on WoC. My gear is not perfect, I don't have the Snoll cheer yet, and we haven't been using Vidohunir or Soldier's Drink either yet I can still do 100k every Death. Obtaining these things will push my Death damage up to 143k for sure. Using Soldier's Drink as is would probably do it too (although, tbh, I don't even know what this item does.) The same strategy may also be applied to Teles. It might actually make the fight ludicrously easy as it can't WS while Manafont is up and, given a cheesy BLM 10x+ set up, it may be possible to kill it before Manafont even wears off.

**fantasticdan** · 2015-12-15 06:25

If you're flooring the targets MDB with malaise, wouldn't vidohunir not do anything?

**Byrthnoth** · 2015-12-15 07:09

Soldier's Drink is damage +50% but only lasts for one damaging action.

If you're using Bolstered Idris Malaise, it's likely that the monster is already at 50 MDB (iirc highest recorded MDB amount for NMs has been +40). If you don't have Idris, though, it's likely that landing Vidohunir's additional effect would be useful.

**Mojo** · 2015-12-15 07:26

I see. We are using Idris. I'm not sure what kind of buff bracelets is (MDB or perhaps just straight DT-%)

**Lyramion** · 2015-12-15 13:39

JP post about killing Erinys: (http://hanabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/...1450064178/l50 topic is about "Clevel ??? Monsters, rarely got attention but not found this)

Code:

エリニス撃破報告 
自分は剣で参加 

ナ剣赤＋竜戦シシコ詩 
ナ沸かせの剣が本体抜きで雑魚はナが維持のまま放置 
カラミティウィンドが厄介なので剣はサポ赤、ゲールス３つ維持 
イレースはするがｈｐ減で間に合わない時はレジなしだと即死するので 
リエモンオールｓｐ等で凌ぐ、エラリズアタイアのコンビ被ダメ吸収着替え推奨 

竜はサポシ、アンゴン、竜剣ジャンプ、不意カムラン 
戦はサポシ、不意ミストラルアクス、ｔｐ次第で不意カラミティ 
シはサポ戦、不意（だま）マンダリク、サブ武器はフセットのｔｐボーナス１０００、メリポ不意短縮 
コはタクティカオスディア４とランダムワイルドでの不意回復、ナにケアル支援 
詩はメヌメヌメヌメヌ、エレジー、ケアル支援 
赤は剣のメインヒーラー、ファラ２ 
戦闘時間は２９分ちょっとでぎりぎり

Short summary of most important stuff. Should be mostly accurate, would appreaciate other people giving it a pass for the top part with a lot of RUN details:

PLD RUN RDM + DRG WAR THF THF COR BRD

DRG/THF - Angon, Superjump, SA Camlann's Torment
WAR/THF - SA Mistralaxe or... SA Calamity (?) if not a lot of TP
THF/WAR x2 - SA/TA Mandalic (On DRG I asume), Offhandweapon with +1000 TP bonus
COR - Tact + Chaos, reset SAs with JAs, PLD healer
BRD - 4x Minuet, Heal helper
RDM - Phalanx 2, RUN Mainheal

Fight time 29 minutes

**Lyramion** · 2015-12-15 13:42

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