Reisenjima Mega Thread

[Byrthnoth]

Looks like proccing him in a timely manner and having a good bard are going to be the two keys to that fight.

I assume they have some kind of resistance to full duration lullaby, or you should have been able to sleep them for longer than that. As a tip, you should be able to get another 40 seconds Lullaby duration by using Clarion Call with full JPs.

[Mojo]

We did a few Vinipata today as well. It seems to summon an add when it uses a weaponskill (we killed them in one skillchain and they repopped very quickly), up to two. I'm guessing the maximum number of adds is increased when it does Astral Flow (and it pops out two instantly.) It might also just be capped at two and the additional adds are summoned only during Astral Flow. I don't have enough data, although I don't actually recommend killing them either way. Our 2100 JP BRD was able to land Lullaby with a non Idris focus (and no Languor). He has good gear, but not the best gear, and wasn't using food. 2100 JP BRD/SCH with Aurastorm/Klimaform could possibly land Lullaby with Idris GEO giving Focus/Wilt and control them without too much trouble. Either way I consider it a fairly easy fight. Edrakali's strategy will work if you simply plan on wiping once or twice. A decently geared BRD/BLM can use Elemental Seal to put the adds asleep long enough for you to damage it until it Astral Flows and summons more adds. If you get overwhelmed you can wipe and put Dia II/Bio II on and have a GEO zombie it until you are ready again. Repeat it 3x for the win. You can rotate through Bolster'd Malaise/Focus or whatever for each time you do this.

[Tachi]

Looks like proccing him in a timely manner and having a good bard are going to be the two keys to that fight.

I assume they have some kind of resistance to full duration lullaby, or you should have been able to sleep them for longer than that. As a tip, you should be able to get another 40 seconds Lullaby duration by using Clarion Call with full JPs.

Hmm..
Base : 60
+4 song (+24) : 84
+52% song duration (+31) : 115
20/20 Lullaby (+20) : 135
NT (+135) : 270
20/20 Marcato (+20) : 290
I had not thought about CC (+20) : 310
Marcato and CC JPs don't take into account NT sadly.

[Sechs]

Where do you get the 52% song duration from?
Keeping Carnwenhan out of the picture I get 53% from my calculations (Kali+Kali+AF3neck+119FiliBody+MardukLegs+119Brios ofeet => 5%+5%+10%+12%+10%+11% = 53%)
Don't forget on hands you can use Brioso+1 for another +1 to Lullaby.
If Soul Voice, NiTro or Elemental seal are up together, you shouldn't have M.Acc Issues, hopefully.

The problem is more with the range I assume. The Range of Horde Lullaby with Ghorn is really really small, need String instrument for the increased range. And even there, to receive a really noticeably larger range you'd probably need to use the tier1 Horde Lullaby instead of the Tier 2 (which has a smaller area)
Can you already reliably sleep everything with Horde Lullaby II using Ghorn?

[Tachi]

I can't use a second Kali because of /blm but have a +5% song duration with 1200 JPs. Filibody is only 109 lol. My mule doesn't have Ghorn, I used Pan's Horn and Nursemaid's Harp. Sleeping adds wasn't really an issue with Random Deal, Wild Card (before pop and during fight), Super revi and the forced wipes. Real problem is when they TP move just after Lullaby wears off but it's Raksha/Yaksha Stance most of the time, they can use Meikyo Shisui too. Also BLMs cannot use Firaja anymore if one add is close of Vinipata.

[Byrthnoth]

Posted too late. I was using 90 as a base (but that's the +5 song value). Looks like I could get it up above 6 minutes with full JAs.

[Lyramion]

The comeback of BRD !

[hopefulki]

The comeback of BRD !

:'(

[Lyramion]

Zerde Stuff:

http://nonoco.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/712/


Albumen was said to be killedd by using an ES Sleepga and ES Breakga rotation.

[Ramzii]

I'll try and down Zerde/Vinipata tonight if my group has the time, hopefully we can get concrete information from the NA side. The JP blogs are definitely a huge help but there's still a language barrier and certain things I'd like to test/experience for myself.

[Lyramion]

Zerde Video:

[Ramzii]

Vinipata information

BRD PLD WHM | GEO GEO SCH BLM BLM BLM

Before pop, GEO goes into other PT to give focus to bard right on pop. Bard does whatever songs and then elemental seal + marcato + clarion call horde lullaby 2 with NT up. It should last 7 min with full duration gear assuming Carnwenhan.

Once slept, split up vinipata from adds, then pop Bolster Focus + Malaise (other GEO did languor+haste, entrust acumen not buffed up) and Tabula Rasa and just go all out on fusion SCs spamming firaja->fire6 until it spawns more adds/you wipe. We managed to get it to 37% by this point and then had our first Bolster GEO constantly RR and zombie it with dia until we were unweak.

By this point the BRD had NT/Marcato/Elemental Seal up again, so once we unweaked we repeated the same thing, except no TR (SCH obviously had revit onhand) and for whatever reason it was taking double damage (I assume it no longer had stance up). But we managed to burn it pretty quickly until I firaja'd right until it spawned even more adds, so BLMs threw up mana wall to survive through the hits and then we got some unlucky TP moves and died at 1% and it died to Helix, RIP.

15 minutes total

[Ramzii]

Zerde information

WHM PLD | BLM/SCH BLM/SCH BLM/SCH GEO/WHM GEO/WHM SCH

firestorm, embrava, regen 5

double bolster acumen, focus, malaise, languor, entrust haste

elemental seal + stun on pop, pld flashed, ran to top of hill @ 2 to avoid bio aura. repositioned and then fire mb'd it down using 6->5/4. i think sc or fire mb or something proc'd it and then it started taking a fuck load of dmg (150k+100k dmg in 1 mb from dualboxed blms). died in like 1min 45?

i think it unlocked curse buffer

[JeanPaul]

Can you provide any details about their offensive qualities? Any unique moves, etc?

[Ramzii]

Tachi explained Vinipata's offensive capabilities better than I could at the bottom of the previous page.

As far as Zerde goes, I never once got hit by any aura using the hill. It used standard Botulus moves and maybe only popped 1 add total so we didn't see a whole lot of interesting things going on (it supposedly gets Doom Aura <50%). Definitely do stun Just Desserts cause the stun is really long, especially the one on pop. It can do Slimy Proposal below 50%, so we had our PLD charm buffer and pray it died before it wore, which it did. The PLD was never really in any danger from damage but then died when the WHM got charmed at 1%

[Ramzii]

edit: disregard this, i suck cocks

[Protey]

From what I put on wiki:

Pops with four adds:

Albumen Korrigan - RDM - enparalysis, Aero V, silencega, graviga
Albumen Lycopodium - WHM - enslow
Albumen Mandragora - NIN
Albumen Pachypodium - DNC

Main and adds will 2-hour at pop. Main and adds can do Petalback Spin, Tepal Twist (max HP down), Bloom Fouette (max MP down)

[Ramzii]

Fiddled around with it a bit- Did 4 TP moves (Scream, Petal Backspin, Bloom Fouette, Tepal Twist). None of them spawned adds so either the chance is really low or it's percent based like Vinipata.

Edit: I should mention that the main NM has a very high proccing en-petrify that lasts about 10 seconds, so vex/attune are recommended (ontop of the other dumbshit TP moves)

[Kazeryushin]

We also Entrust indi-int too for Zerde cause we could

Also adding that Zerde dropped Suwaiyas

[Lyramion]

Updated today for Scha here:

http://ameblo.jp/masay1120/



One JP rated all the Cl ??? NMs in Reisen in this order:

Schah > Erinys > Teles > Albumen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vinipata > Onychophora > Zerde