Skynamis (Airship Exploration: the Diadem)

[haroldsaxon]

Catch up content has always been mindless grinds.

I never said it wasn't. That was why I posted an image saying "I don't know what I expected".

[Destinye]

just make it ffxiv abbysea edition where mobs in a region drop a key item to pop a star NM on that island. encourage exploration and allow 1 party to kill the NMs in a reasonable amount of time.

i think i'll finish up the last bronze spoils for the mount and call it a day until they inevitably tweak the zone a bit.

This takes works, actual thought in content execution and would go against everything XIV stands for. So...sadly that's a no go D:

(You would get the key items once a week.)

Catch up content has always been mindless grinds.

I don't think you can even consider this catch up content since Thordan's Weapons and some 210s are worthwhile to get than dealing with Alexander Savage, especially since they already confirmed they're essentially toning down alexander for 3.2 and may not even have "story mode/savage mode" again.

[Taint]

It's basically all damage because provoke works.

Voke works cross party? (I've never tanked in there)

[Eanae]

Catch up content has always been mindless grinds.

This isn't catch up content. Since when is content which can reward BIS "catch up".

[Spider-Dan]

Voke works cross party? (I've never tanked in there)

It's always worked cross-party in CT.

[Taint]

It's always worked cross-party in CT.

Yeah but that is alliance combat. Voke doesn't work on Hunt mobs. (except in your party)

[Niiro]

The only mobs Voke doesn't work normally on are hunt mobs and FATE mobs.

[Destinye]

Yeah, since Diadem is Hunts basically, you'd think it wouldn't..but it's also technically alliance content. Whenever I see tanks in Diadem they aren't ever tanking anyway, so i never paid attention.

[MisterBob]

Yeah but that is alliance combat. Voke doesn't work on Hunt mobs. (except in your party)

It doesn't even work in your party. If you Provoke a hunt or FATE mob it just gets resisted and does nothing.

[Kipling]

RE: Getting Credit

We have found that similar to fates, claim (the mob being red to you) means way more than any amount of damage could ever mean. We've had terrible wipes due to people pulling too many mobs and we did very little damage to it, but still received a gold chest because we had claim. This is why claiming is so important. It looks like you need to do damage in some way to maintain credit, but as long as you have claim when the monster dies it seems to more or less be guaranteed credit.

[Neon_Sea]

I have had red on multiple mobs and not got any credit, so just putting that out there.

[Kipling]

I have had red on multiple mobs and not got any credit, so just putting that out there.

Was it just you?

Edit: To clarify, I did specify you need to contribute something. However, whenever we claim an NM we generally turn away from it and clear any trash before we go back to the NM. Had multiple instances where there were particularly annoying trash mobs (banemites and Sanuwas) that took awhile to clear out, and by the time we got back onto the NM it was ~50%. We still got credit even though we didn't touch it for half of its life bar. This is with 8 people contributing at certain points, though. If you are super low man I can see you not getting credit.

[agrotc]

On that note, if every body else in your party is dead/returned for whatever reason on an NM that you have claim on, it's probably best to back off if you're not a healer so you don't lose claim.

[TheDirtyHobo]

This isn't catch up content. Since when is content which can reward BIS "catch up".

Since 2.3

[Destinye]

Yeah to be fair, I wouldn't consider it catch up since..nothing changed. Normally you get caught up when the game progresses and everyone playing had 5 months to get alexander savage on farm, if they chose not to, tough titty. If they couldn't? Esoterics is fine.. So if anything it's welfare lol.

[Eanae]

Since 2.3

Not even remotely true. That was true catchup because it was equal to the best gear and wasn't even really BIS because you couldn't mix and match the BIS pieces. This is true BIS. So no. Not the same at all.

[TheDirtyHobo]

Yeah to be fair, I wouldn't consider it catch up since..nothing changed. Normally you get caught up when the game progresses and everyone playing had 5 months to get alexander savage on farm, if they chose not to, tough titty. If they couldn't? Esoterics is fine.. So if anything it's welfare lol.

I slightly disagree with your definition of catch up content, but other than that, it's a fair point. It's not really worth arguing the semantics of it, though.

Not even remotely true. That was true catchup because it was equal to the best gear and wasn't even really BIS because you couldn't mix and match the BIS pieces. This is true BIS. So no. Not the same at all.

Let me get this straight, your argument is "it didn't drop any BIS because not every slot was BIS"? Because I didn't say that, nor did you ask that. You asked for "can reward BIS." Syrcus tower "can reward BIS."

[Eludi]

Not even remotely true. That was true catchup because it was equal to the best gear and wasn't even really BIS because you couldn't mix and match the BIS pieces. This is true BIS. So no. Not the same at all.

Diadem gear is true BIS for that 3 months until 3.2 when new crafted should already replace it. (which is partly the reason I only farm Diadem to get over 1k+ spoils mark)

[Eldelphia]

I'm enjoying it but people are already plugged in and way too attached to Dino island and so won't even consider farming elsewhere. There really needs to be incentives to go to other islands. I also think Gatherers should be able to enter solo, even if that's all they do.

[Lujei]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there were Diadem adjustments in the future about enemy spawning in attempt to get groups to explore more.

Or maybe that's just hope clouding my logic.