Annihilator (Gun Control Thread- NOT SHOOTINGS)

[Deftscythe]

That seems rather unethical.

Listen, I'm just asking him to defend his... Oh, oh you meant the tweet. Yeah, pretty clear abuse of power.

[Zealot]

Government punishing business for private business decisions? Not very conservative.

[Day]

Government punishing business for private business decisions? Not very conservative.

indeed, interesting to watch the true cons argue with the maga moms on twitter dot com today

[archibaldcrane]

I just like that "no longer being offered a special discount and instead having to pay the normal fare" is attacking conservatives now.

[Deftscythe]

I just like that "no longer being offered a special discount and instead having to pay the normal fare" is attacking conservatives now.

Conservatives aren't just being attacked, they're being bullied by Parkland survivors.

[archibaldcrane]

insert safe-space/snowflake jokes here

[Niiro]

Conservatives aren't just being attacked, they're being bullied by Parkland survivors.

Must be pretty embarrassing getting bullied by discount Tom Holland over here.

[shepardG]

I personally would like to see a ban on all self re-loading weapons. (AR-15, SKAR, SKS, etc.) sure people hunt with them, but only because they can and will buy them, you can just as easily go hunting with a R700 which holds 5 rounds, and you have to manually open the bolt, and close the bolt to re-load it. As a gun owner, and gun rights supporter, I am able to look at the situation and the fact that tommy dip shit can purchase a fucking semi-auto Rifle with 30+ round magazines is just fucking stupid. there is no further arguing. It's his right, but it's a right that should have been updated to reflect the changing times. Our piss poor government is way to slow to be able to adapt in any reasonable amount of time, and it's ham stringing our growth as a nation.
The world is different. and our Constitution needs to start reflecting these changes.

If you can't see that reality, then your just being delusional. We about to land on another fucking planet in our god damn life time and we going by a set of rules that people made 229 years ago??? I mean our forefathers didn't put in a clause for interplanetary disputes, so how's that gonna play out???

Can you own a gun in space? what about if your born on Mars? we still projecting 250+ year old rules onto people born on a different celestial body?

Also handguns are stupid.

[Fondue]

Gun deaths also vary dramatically by type. The vast majority (77 percent) of white gun deaths are suicides; less than one in five (19 percent) is a homicide. These figures are nearly opposite in the black population, where only 14 percent of gun deaths are suicides but 82 percent are homicides

Hmm yes, handguns are the problem

[Deftscythe]

Hmm yes, handguns are the problem

Sorry, I'm confused. Could you say more explicitly what you believe the problem is? And what's causing the problem?

[Infini]

Sorry, I'm confused. Could you say more explicitly what you believe the problem is? And what's causing the problem?

Too much bullshit and stonewalling. Inability to update gun laws to reflect the current world situation. Using the 2nd amendment as a way of having any and every kind of gun and allowing any unstable gobshite to buy said weapons even thought it's fairly obvious that this was written in a completely different time. Fallout of inability to sort this issue has left the US with a far disproportionate gun fatality rate well out of line with most western states. Gun nut shooting up schools = repetitive US phenomenon.

Long story short: Absolute right to own a gun in US + allowing automatic weapons in the general populace = easy access for unsuitable idiots to get their hands on them and go on a shooting spree.

I would be honest the only way to fix the whole issue in the long run is to build up enough pressure to bring in a new amendment that can supersede the 2nd so that having a gun isn't an automatic right and only responsible people have access to them. The only way I could realistically see this happening though is if those looking for sane gun laws can build up enough political and financial support to force a realistic change to the situation.

[Deftscythe]

Too much bullshit and stonewalling. Inability to update gun laws to reflect the current world situation. Using the 2nd amendment as a way of having any and every kind of gun and allowing any unstable gobshite to buy said weapons even thought it's fairly obvious that this was written in a completely different time. Fallout of inability to sort this issue has left the US with a far disproportionate gun fatality rate well out of line with most western states. Gun nut shooting up schools = repetitive US phenomenon.

Long story short: Absolute right to own a gun in US + allowing automatic weapons in the general populace = easy access for unsuitable idiots to get their hands on them and go on a shooting spree.

I would be honest the only way to fix the whole issue in the long run is to build up enough pressure to bring in a new amendment that can supersede the 2nd so that having a gun isn't an automatic right and only responsible people have access to them. The only way I could realistically see this happening though is if those looking for sane gun laws can build up enough political and financial support to force a realistic change to the situation.

I'm not sure any of that is what fondue meant, but perhaps he'll clarify.

[archibaldcrane]

Dems propose a new assault weapon ban in the House

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/37...lt-weapons-ban

(obviously will go nowhere in the current term)

Interesting that they are going for the more narrow "California" definition than the previous 1994 ban - semi-auto rifle, with removable magazine, and 1 of the following:

(i) A pistol grip.

(ii) A forward grip.

(iii) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.

(iv) A grenade launcher or rocket launcher.

(v) A barrel shroud.

(vi) A threaded barrel


The old ban required 2 of those features (most commonly a pistol grip + 1 other). This would prevent the type of bare-bones AR-15 clones that had that black rifle look but no attachments capability that you could work around the old ban with.

Also bans fixed-magazine semi-auto rifles with more than 10 shot capacity (other than barrel-tube .22 rifles [which is the only type of gun I've personally ever owned actually])

Also bans bump-stocks, trigger cranks and other rapid-fire mods for semi-auto weapons. Also bans magazines holding more than 10 rounds of any type (as far as I can tell) for any type of weapon (other than .22 tube-along-the-barrel types).

[chazzyphizzle]

looking forward to seeing that never brought up for a vote at any point ever. bump stock ban still hasnt even been voted on has it?

[FNH]

looking forward to seeing that never brought up for a vote at any point ever. bump stock ban still hasnt even been voted on has it?

I think they ran into a road block with it conflicts with the definition of a machine gun

[FNH]

Dems propose a new assault weapon ban in the House

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/37...lt-weapons-ban

(obviously will go nowhere in the current term)

Interesting that they are going for the more narrow "California" definition than the previous 1994 ban - semi-auto rifle, with removable magazine, and 1 of the following:

(i) A pistol grip.

(ii) A forward grip.

(iii) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.

(iv) A grenade launcher or rocket launcher.

(v) A barrel shroud.

(vi) A threaded barrel


The old ban required 2 of those features (most commonly a pistol grip + 1 other). This would prevent the type of bare-bones AR-15 clones that had that black rifle look but no attachments capability that you could work around the old ban with.

Also bans fixed-magazine semi-auto rifles with more than 10 shot capacity (other than barrel-tube .22 rifles [which is the only type of gun I've personally ever owned actually])

Also bans bump-stocks, trigger cranks and other rapid-fire mods for semi-auto weapons. Also bans magazines holding more than 10 rounds of any type (as far as I can tell) for any type of weapon (other than .22 tube-along-the-barrel types).

So really what is it about “assault weapons “ that really matters besides mag capacity?

[Niiro]

Magazine capacity, reload speed, and rate of accurate, sustained fire would appear to be the big concerns.

The media and lawmakers get a lot of shit for their concern with a gun's mere appearance as well but I'm willing to bet gun fetishism is a significant factor in many mass shootings, and it's not one of the issues often discussed.

[archibaldcrane]

So really what is it about “assault weapons “ that really matters besides mag capacity?

Basically mag capacity and tendency for wanna-be mass murderers to honk off to the idea of slaughtering their enemies with it.

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[Salodin]

So really what is it about “assault weapons “ that really matters besides mag capacity?

The items listed would make it harder to get a high score for sure.

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[Dantrag]

Magazine capacity, reload speed, and rate of accurate, sustained fire would appear to be the big concerns.

The media and lawmakers get a lot of shit for their concern with a gun's mere appearance as well but I'm willing to bet gun fetishism is a significant factor in many mass shootings, and it's not one of the issues often discussed.

One of the kids that died was shot 9 fucking times in the back. Another kid that survived(as of a few days ago) was shot 5. Mag size and reload speed are a huge fucking deal.