Annihilator (Gun Control Thread- NOT SHOOTINGS)

[archibaldcrane]

The attacks on the Parkland teens are pretty remarkable.

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/stat...038643200?s=19

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[Day]

i would pay so much money to hear some of these twitter personalities debate each other like bill mitchell vs peter daou or thomas wictor vs louise mensch

[Infini]

The attacks on the Parkland teens are pretty remarkable.

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/stat...038643200?s=19

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I believe one of the parkland victims was actually enjoying these attacks as the ignorance and stupidity of these shitposters is actually helping them push their cause for better gun controls by keeping attention on the issue. Nothing like comparing those victims looking to try and prevent others suffering the same fate as their friends to genocidal nazis to show the twisted views of the worst gun lovers.

Still disgusting that some of these shitposters are attacking the students like this but then again they're basically going full retard against those who lost friends ffs and you never go full retard.

[Byrthnoth]

You can't ban handguns without amending the constitution. DC tried that already.

I'm just naming pie the the sky policy goals. Whether it takes an act of congress or a constitutional amendment doesn't matter to me.

If I could get those three things, I'd be happy to wait twenty years and see America's new steady state of gun violence.

[Deftscythe]

The attacks on the Parkland teens are pretty remarkable.

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/stat...038643200?s=19

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"Emotionalism"

[GoggleHead]

I'm just naming pie the the sky policy goals. Whether it takes an act of congress or a constitutional amendment doesn't matter to me.

And people tell me with a straight face that no one is trying to ban guns. I really wish you lowlifes would just own it and openly push directly for your end goal instead of this slow creeping erosion of our rights.

[Salodin]

And people tell me with a straight face that no one is trying to ban guns. I really wish you lowlifes would just own it and openly push directly for your end goal instead of this slow creeping erosion of our rights.

Not all liberals are for complete bans you tard, especially the ones on BG. You really are insufferable and too god damn rere to understand that point tho.

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[Niiro]

You say that but what will you do when Byrth shows up at your door to take your guns.

[Byrthnoth]

I didn't advocate for banning all guns, either. I excluded weapons that have a reasonable use in hunting (shotguns, rifles, etc.) Sorry if the lack of AR-15s and handguns makes sportsmanship more sporting.

Guns are dangerous tools that have no practical use for the vast majority of American citizens and do real damage. A well regulated militia A) is stupid because the crown is done with direct imperialism B) does imply some degree of regulation C) most conservatively would be construed as the availability of weaponry for ROTC programs.

[Zealot]

And people tell me with a straight face that no one is trying to ban guns. I really wish you lowlifes would just own it and openly push directly for your end goal instead of this slow creeping erosion of our rights.

Universal registration is my only goal. If you are against that, defend why.

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[arus2001]

Still say a small caliber revolver is about the extent of what the general population "needs" from a handgun. More cumbersome to reload, not so easily modified, smaller "clip" size, aren't spraying multiple bullets in a single trigger pull, and far less likely to misfire due to the triggering mechanism.

Then again, I guess I chuckle whenever a banger accidentally shoots themselves in the foot/junk/whatever.

[GoggleHead]

Universal registration is my only goal. If you are against that, defend why.

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Thin end of the wedge. First you find where all the guns are, then you introduce new regulations and shit everyone has to follow and be audited for, then when it's politically viable the powers that be know where all the guns are and come to collect. This is something you will do over several decades, if not generations, but it is something that will be slowly pushed for. I am not ok with that.

What are the benefits that universal registration provides?

[Psion]

slippery slope is not an argument, it's a fallacy. its the same shit as people arguing letting gays marry leads to societal collapse and people marrying their animals.

and if it was politically viable for the powers to be to know where all the guns are and to collect them, that means that society wanted them to do that in the first place, because it was politically viable. so your argument is you don't want regulations because people may decide in the future decades later that hey, why were we all upset over this guns thing? take them all away, we dont need them" and the politicians, who are supposed to enact the will of the people, enacted the will of the people.

[GoggleHead]

I've seen slippery slopes become reality too frequently in recent years to not be on guard against them. Case in point, societal collapse is happening as people have moved on to pushing for the normalization of pumping small children full of hormones because little Timmy picked up a Barbie doll one too many times and happens to have a sexuality activist parent. That shit is real. It does not necessarily come to pass, but that doesn't mean the logical progression of a chain of events is to be dismissed as an impossibility either.

I don't want to live in a society where it is politically or logistically viable for the government to disarm its populace, no.
If you do then you can go live in a country that is not The United States of America.

[Dimmauk]

The attacks on the Parkland teens are pretty remarkable.

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/stat...038643200?s=19

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Absolutely disgusting

[Psion]

I've seen slippery slopes become reality too frequently in recent years to not be on guard against them. Case in point, societal collapse is happening as people have moved on to pushing for the normalization of pumping small children full of hormones because little Timmy picked up a Barbie doll one too many times and happens to have a sexuality activist parent. That shit is real. It does not necessarily come to pass, but that doesn't mean the logical progression of a chain of events is to be dismissed as an impossibility either.

I don't want to live in a society where it is politically or logistically viable for the government to disarm its populace, no.
If you do then you can go live in a country that is not The United States of America.

you clearly have no idea what societal collapse is. OH NOES A WOMAN IS DOING A MANS JOB isn't societal collapse. last i checked, the trains still run (mostly) on time, people are (mostly) not killing each other on the streets, and the price of food is only somewhat unreasonable instead of impossible. societal collapse is what happens during a zombie apocalypse. societal collapse is when there's widespread food shortages and riots over that. societal collapse is when there's no policemen, no firemen, and disease runs rampant because there's no garbage collectors, no working hospitals, and no water treatment plants working. societal collapse is what happens when society, you know, actually collapses. morality is something that is different for each person. your morals are not my morals. that is why law is not based on morality, but logic and the golden rule. at least, in principle. too often people with the same notions of moral superiority come along and try to change society to fit their idea of what a perfect society is, rather than on what evidence says is a good idea, and based on not causing mental or physical harm.

the US doesn't revolve around you. if you don't like that, you can go...on living in the United States of America because all viewpoints are welcome here, even if it comes from the mouths of morons.

[Infini]

Noone is realistically gonna expect all guns in america to be gone but neither are people gonna keep taking this BS paralysis on the issue either anymore. There is practical needs for them like with hunting and for farmer's or those in remote locations far from towns needing one in case of the off-chance of an intruder. There is NO practical need for any civilian to have high capacity, rapid fire weapons, machine guns or military grade weapon outside of law enforcement or the military. Those weapons arent for defense they're weapons for war, for killing as many people as possible.

You want to protect your 2nd amendment rights? Make sure that that right is used responsibly. Make sure that there's a reasonable balanced level of gun control so those that ABUSE that right like what's happening in US schools aren't able to get access to those firearms in the first place. Remember why the 2nd amendment was written in the first place: to defend your country not to slaugher your own countrymen and innocents. Understand that more people are calling for gun control because their own loved ones have died, people have died because those who should never have gotten these weapons to begin with got them and killed kids for crying out loud.

The likes of the NRA come across as ridiculously and even dangerously delusional from where I stand because their only solution to these problems is to add more guns and make the problem worse not better. You think having everyone with a hidden gun everywhere is safer? It's not because all it takes is one paranoid idiot turn a bar or town into a slaughterhouse in that situation.

It should also be realised that the longer those who blindly demand their right to owning guns is greater than peoples lives and refuse ANY realistic and reasonable controls then the greater chance there will be that eventually enough people will get pissed off enough that they might actually go for the nuclear option and remove that right through an amendment because those who want guns refuse to be reasonable about it. It happened with prohibition and it can happen with guns too. Look at what's happening right now. These student's didnt create this movement out of nowhere. Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Vegas all happened before and controls were called for but eventually things fizzled out. The difference is those in Parkland have had this shit happen to them and basically said "Enough is Enough. We've had it with these motherfucking guns in our motherfucking schools". its basically the straw that broke the camels back.

Edit: Seriously Gogglehead what shit have you been reading exactly to see "societal collapse" exactly? If anything you should go visit other places or other western countries for a bit and see how things are there. Plenty of places exist without the need for everyone to have machine guns. Some shit that comes from the Far Left like Safe spaces, gender neutral I agree is ridiculous but hardly societal collapse tier.

[Byrthnoth]

hah @ the idea that laws common to the vast majority of the world would cause the USA's social collapse

[Zealot]

Thin end of the wedge. First you find where all the guns are, then you introduce new regulations and shit everyone has to follow and be audited for, then when it's politically viable the powers that be know where all the guns are and come to collect. This is something you will do over several decades, if not generations, but it is something that will be slowly pushed for. I am not ok with that.

What are the benefits that universal registration provides?

Yeah but say I didn't do that. Say the legislation was specifically written to include the language that nothing in this registry shall be used a information to confiscate someone's firearm.

Universal registration means a unified background check system that keeps people legally prohibited from purchasing a gun from obtaining one. It sets a flag if someone starts purchasing a large number of firearms. It sets a flag if someone reports an unusual number of firearm thefts, a popular habit of illegal sellers. It makes enforcing the laws we already have and agree upon exponentially easier, and if you don't think that they're difficult, look up the "Enforce Existing Gun Laws" act. It's a bill that has never passed Congress that has as its sole aim allowing the ATF to act on the laws already on the books, which they are currently shackled against doing.

It hurts no one, it infringes on nothing, it aids law enforcement, and your major complaint seems to be "but what if someday...!"

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[archibaldcrane]

Love to live in fear that the government might make it harder for Americans to kill each other

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