Annihilator (Gun Control Thread- NOT SHOOTINGS)

[Mythe_Seraph]

No, just enough of them that on net the presence of guns makes people more likely to get shot.

You can eliminate all car fatalities caused by intoxication too. Pretty heavy handed approach.

[Melena]

All you’ve tossed out is teachers paying t themselves. And to that I’ve listed a multitude of reasons why that won’t work due to the costs. Like I said this isn’t as simple as just buying a gun and ammo and you’re set to defend your classroom. As is I’m out since you seem to just want to go in circles and borderline troll.

[Mythe_Seraph]

Your multitude of reasoning was the cost, which wasn't even estimated or given a real dollar value with hours based on speculation, of training and insurance. I'd agree with you that the insurance factors would get pricey especially in the event of... well... an event. But if projections could be trusted and these measures were taken one could also assume that events would be incredibly minimal or possibly eliminated. I explained possible measures for eliminating or reducing that in ways that don't rely on 100% governmental funding.

You say I'm trolling but you stated that 99% of instructors wouldn't agree with having a trained individual or individuals on campus and you based that on talking with your friend who is a teacher... What?

[Mythe_Seraph]

Another thing that I don't understand about your argument versus mine is this. I said make it available for teachers. You're coming from the standpoint that teachers shouldn't have to be paid for. You say they can't afford it. Let's assume they can't. Hey look at that the teacher didn't buy the training to arm themselves in the classroom. Don't you get what you initially wanted from that anyways? lol...

Good chat though since you're out. I'm not trolling and I'm not mad btw, just talking on the forum. All love on this end.

[archibaldcrane]

You can eliminate all car fatalities caused by intoxication too.

In this analogy you are encouraging the drinking.

[Fondue]

How about we do something to keep kids from coming and shooting up schools in the first place.

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snipers on the rooftops? not a bad idea tbh

[Zealot]

snipers on the rooftops? not a bad idea tbh

Finally someone picks up on subtext.

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[Mythe_Seraph]

In this analogy you are encouraging the drinking.

Nice regurgitation but I don’t think it works how you intended. It wasn’t an analogy it was a statement. I’m pointing out the fact that humans are irresponsible with many things that others enjoy but that doesn’t mean we bind them in their entirety in response.

[archibaldcrane]

Nice regurgitation but I don’t think it works how you intended. It wasn’t an analogy it was a statement. I’m pointing out the fact that humans are irresponsible with many things that others enjoy but that doesn’t mean we bind them in their entirety in response.

In most places we do "bind teachers from carrying guns in entirety" because it's the better than the alternative if your goal is safety.

[mallister]

I cast my mind back and can't recall a single teacher I'd have wanted to be around armed.

And more than a couple that I'd be terrified of being around if they were armed.

Hard fucking pass.

[arus2001]

Plus the old reality that at some point a student will get a hold of a teacher's gun and use it for ill.

Otherwise, if we're going to continue jumping down this rabbit hole, I'm with others that believe the school/state should pay for whatever training, but also to make certain the teacher passes a psych eval to minimize the likelihood of them using the gun irresponsibly themselves. But the whole MOAR GUNZ schtick is getting tiresome.

Jumping to non-lethal means also has flaws, just like trying to advocate singular entrances (in already existing buildings). Pepper spray has the range issue. If people know bean bags are a thing, you then just get attackers wearing helmets and vests, even if improvised, to minimize the risk of getting disabled. The people using either method further expose themselves to risk, and while it's easy to say they're brave or heroic for wanting to do so, I'd still rather we chase the solutions that prevent these scenarios from ever happening at all.

[Deftscythe]

Man I just wanted us all to have a lul at that dude macing himself for an ad.

[Fiye]

Man I just wanted us all to have a lul at that dude macing himself for an ad.

Can't top waterboarding yourself to own the libs tho

[Ragnus]

http://www.wcvb.com/article/gun-owne...ending+Content

Yeah, so in a case of living in Bizzarro world. The Federal Government just came down on MA for being too lenient with it's gun laws.

MA had a program where people who were senetenced for jailable misdemeanors of two years of less to be able to obtain a license to own.

[Ksandra]

Is EVERY teacher required to be armed? Doubt it. Is EVERY teacher going to want to even be armed? Heck no. Should they be? Heck no. But if a teacher WANTS to be certified, trained and qualified to carry if they pay for it out of their own pocket (as I said I would in my initial response, seems to have been glossed over in yours) why shouldn't they be allowed.

For several reasons:

1. Teacher could shoot a student or coworker
2. Teacher could have gun taken away from student
3. Increases gun presence at schools.
4. Creates an extreme level of power hungry control over students.
5. Teaching is an extremely stressed out anxiety-filled job, extensive mental training would be needed.
6. It’s not our job.

[Ksandra]

How about we do something to keep kids from coming and shooting up schools in the first place.

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Why can’t we do both?

I’d like to have reactionary safety measures while waiting on preventative safety measures that may never even happen.

[Zealot]

All of our reactionary suggestions so far had been in the vein of turning schools into prisons or adding more weapons to the scenario, so I am not enamored with the options.

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[Ksandra]

All of our reactionary suggestions so far had been in the vein of turning schools into prisons or adding more weapons to the scenario,

I’ve mentioned before about using medal detectors.

And it’s easy to not be enamored when you aren’t living it.

[Fiye]

Metal detectors only work when people go through them tho. Would only work with kids who bring guns in to kill a GF or something not against the more recent mass shooting types.

[Ksandra]

Metal detectors only work when people go through them tho. Would only work with kids who bring guns in to kill a GF or something not against the more recent mass shooting types.

They got the guns from outside. They had to bring the guns on campus.


Idk if you’ve noticed, but since sandy hook schools bit by bit have been putting up fences around their properties.