Annihilator (Gun Control Thread- NOT SHOOTINGS)

[Salodin]

Nope I'll breed all I want and teach them to ignore evidence and critical thought. I wanna be cool like you.

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[GoggleHead]

I mean the goal is to prevent shootings.

This is not the goal.

reducing access to guns

This is the goal.

One of these is laudable while the other is outright malicious. I'd hope we're all capable of discerning which is which, but I am sure someone in this thread will manage to disappoint me.

[Gredival]

And all the science points to mass proliferation of guns being the single biggest causal factor in shootings. Therefore reduction and control of guns would be the most expedient and effective method to reduce shooting incidents.

(inb4 the collapse of patriarchal and agrarian society being the root cause of shootings)

[Zealot]

This is not the goal.


This is the goal.

One of these is laudable while the other is outright malicious. I'd hope we're all capable of discerning which is which, but I am sure someone in this thread will manage to disappoint me.

You fuckin' chuwero, you wouldn't know shit about dick if one slapped you upside the gums.

[BaneTheBrawler]

This is not the goal.


This is the goal.

One of these is laudable while the other is outright malicious. I'd hope we're all capable of discerning which is which, but I am sure someone in this thread will manage to disappoint me.

you heard it here, folks. abstracts do not exist. kirin cannot be spawned, he's just a figment of the lamestream media's mind control. the goal of sky is actually to kill pots.

[Ksandra]

Nice to know some teachers are going full retard thinking a metal detector would have made a difference in the last high profile school shooting (Parkland, and it wouldn't have made a single bit of difference). Nice to know some teachers are going full retard when republicans own the house, Senate, presidency, and courts, but it's dems fault that laws aren't getting passed that can help address these shootings. Nice to know teachers are going full retard when every single national level dem is promoting or campaigning on gun reform, but somehow it's the dems who don't want to take action on this subject.

This is how it happens guys. You pop out a kid or two, see the guys in red are cutting taxes to give you more take home pay, and suddenly you think they're on your side taking action on the things that affect you. Never mind the decades of working against your interests when the boys in blue ties, while not always a perfect ally, are trying to do things to help you but you are quite literally too retarded to see it or properly assist them.

Quite infuriating and I hope to god my future children don't cause me to turn into that Ben Stiller character from that one character playing a character in a movie.

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1. So because it wouldn’t have worked in parkland (suspect) it’s not worth doing? Again: antivaxxer logic.

2. Dems aren’t doing anything because they are choosing to ONLY do the one thing that is probably never going to happen.

3. Dems are illogical because they can’t seem to grasp the concept that you can fight for BOTH gun control and tools like metal detectors.

4. I’m a dem. Just one who sees the danger my kids, my students, and myself are in and see a whole lot of talking that equals thoughts and prayers.

5. Dems not doing much for schools is not limited to gun control. When was the last time people in this thread went to their town’s/city’s school’s budget election and voted/voiced to have the budget increased? You know, so the schools can afford mental heath aids, and art, and PE. All those things studies have said schools needed to help children’s wellbeing. Dems claim they know all the answers about schools (in fairness, they usually aren’t wrong) but they don’t get off their asses to do it.

[BaneTheBrawler]

2 years ago.

[Salodin]

These things don't magically happen. You blame dems because people don't vote for dems even when it's probably in their interests to do so. You blame them because your peers don't vote for them, or worse blame them when you can run for office yourself and bring the change you think they can't bring. Idk what you're even trying to say.

People on the other side of the isle obviously don't want to do the changes we've seen other countries use for this very same problem. That's the crux of the problem, isn't it? You can admit there are people who aren't going to go along with major changes to gun legislation, but also can go along with the fact that those same laws are what make us exceptionally deadly in our violence. If you're looking for some magical middle ground, then idk what to tell you other then lots of schools are going to get shot up while you waste time on metal detectors and solutions that don't involve keeping guns out of the hands of many more people then currently have access to them.

But sure, spend money on detectors and upkeep and well make sure to take that from your textbook money. Who needs books when you aren't even sure no weapons came in through the security at the front?

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[Ksandra]

These things don't magically happen. You blame dems because people don't vote for dems even when it's probably in their interests to do so. You blame them because your peers don't vote for them, or worse blame them when you can run for office yourself and bring the change you think they can't bring. Idk what you're even trying to say.

People on the other side of the isle obviously don't want to do the changes we've seen other countries use for this very same problem. That's the crux of the problem, isn't it? You can admit there are people who aren't going to go along with major changes to gun legislation, but also can go along with the fact that those same laws are what make us exceptionally deadly in our violence. If you're looking for some magical middle ground, then idk what to tell you other then lots of schools are going to get shot up while you waste time on metal detectors and solutions that don't involve keeping guns out of the hands of many more people then currently have access to them.

But sure, spend money on detectors and upkeep and well make sure to take that from your textbook money. Who needs books when you aren't even sure no weapons came in through the security at the front?

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See. You are proving my point. You don’t actually want to cough up the money to help schools. Just shift it around.


Don’t play the whole “if you want it, you go into politics “ game. That’s a piss poor response and you know it. You could say that to anyone about anything. It’s meaninless.


And I’m not looking for middle ground. I’m looking for some minor temp solutions until we solve the big solution.
Because the reality is, those kids don’t get to come back to life after you’ve successfully created solid gun reform. So let’s do what we can in the meantime.

[Salodin]

You say you want minor temp solutions on the same day you can admit those same solutions don't do anything.

I see, you just want the illusion of action, instead of actual change. Actual change being the hard conversations adults in America need to have about the amount of freedom we afford ourselves in exchange for this increased gun violence.

Cool.

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[Ksandra]

You also don’t need to vote a dem to vote on a school budget.


This is also not new, Salodin. You can’t keep blaming it on not owning congress. Even the obamas has poor ideas (merit system, lunch program) about schools.


My parents were teachers, too. This has been happening for a long long time, even when dems were in control.

[Niiro]

Metal detectors in schools does nothing to address gun violence in general, which is what the greater issue is.

School shootings do not make up a significant proportion of gun violence, they're just the most shocking instances of it.

[Salodin]

Like wtf, you think the Democrat is going to say no to more money for schools? We both know the Democrat won't be the one voting down the legislation to increase funding for schools. What are you even getting at?

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[Ksandra]

You say you want minor temp solutions on the same day you can admit those same solutions don't do anything.

When did I ever say they don’t work?

Actual change being the hard conversations.

Dems so love to talk.

Cool.

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[Salodin]

Holy shit this propaganda works. People actually think dems are the impediment to gun reform in America?

What is even going on here?

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[Ksandra]

Metal detectors in schools does nothing to address gun violence in general, which is what the greater issue is.

School shootings do not make up a significant proportion of gun violence, they're just the most shocking instances of it.

I am specifically talking about school gun violence. Keep in mind I came into this part of the convo replying to someone who wants teachers to have guns.

Like wtf, you think the Democrat is going to say no to more money for schools?

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Oh they won’t say no to more money. They just won’t actually do it.

You understand in order to give schools more money you have to show up and vote for the budget, right?

[Ksandra]

Holy shit this propaganda works. People actually think dems are the impediment to gun reform in America?

What is even going on here?

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No, I think repubs are worse. But we aren’t on a forum of repubs. If we want to sit here and whine about the other guy and not do anything because the other guy sucks you can go for it and feel better about yourself. I am a bigger fan of looking for answers that can actually happen.

[Salodin]

So you're lumping together people who do show up and do participate with people who don't even vote? But you assume theyd vote Democrat but don't because they...dont vote? What is your point?

You say you want people who are going to do something about the problem when your actual literal suggestion was to put more metal detectors in schools even though you immediately admit those don't actually do anything. You literally want someone to do anything, as long as you feel safer I'm assuming. That's cool bae, you do you.

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[BaneTheBrawler]

When was the last time people in this thread went to their town’s/city’s school’s budget election and voted/voiced to have the budget increased?

2 years ago.

your outrage falls flat. this is a political forum, ksan. the people here have self-selected to be above-average on political awareness/activity. preaching to the choir, etc.

[Day]

im not buying it, most of us dont leave the house