Annihilator (Gun Control Thread- NOT SHOOTINGS)

[arus2001]

And honestly, it's not really the average joe's fault that school funding is so low. We have levies and such frequently here on our voting block, but the most significant blow to my town's schooling was the closure of a power plant years back, which contributed a fair deal of money for operating within such close proximity. Otherwise, we're not exactly swimming in rich people to more heavily tax because this is a shithole no one of means actually wants to live in if they can avoid it. Expanding such more to the federal level would help, but otherwise we're largely at the mercy of what the city/county generates.

The argument those who feel making our schools more prison-like isn't the solution lies largely in the fact that school shootings were largely unheard of until Columbine. So, what has changed between the past and present leading to this more significant threat?

On one hand, you have the continued creation and advancement of firearms with destruction or loss not keeping up. Thinking back to the 70's, it's most likely what a gun owning civilian had in their house would've been a revolver and/or shotgun. Both are not conducive to mass murder. Nowadays? You've got clip-based weaponry in both pistol and rifle form that can spew lots more death in a minute. We're supposed to believe we need these things because one day the government could turn on us, but in comparison to what they have at their disposal, we're fucked if that's ever actually the case. Such things also aren't needed for hunting, leaving "practical use" more for entertainment purposes. Which really just translates to some guy's belief of fun trumping the safety of kids.

On the other side of the equation, there is the matter of why kids lash out. Over-medication and/or misdiagnosis of mental issues? Bullying, both physical and cyber? Loss of parental interaction due to the ever-increasing workforce demands? School classes/programs being cut? Sexuality/identity issues? It's not wrong to say things like these are contributing factors, but they're also not what is literally killing people like guns are. Rather, they're reasons why people are more likely to turn to such an easy means of retribution. It's not like it isn't known guns are more likely to empower people toward violence compared to knives or other weapons. And in some cases, this comes off more as a glorified suicide by cop where the argument could've been made they would've just offed themselves instead of taking people with them, too. And certainly, suicide is its own can of worms that share the above reasons, but there's also a difference in making the choice to take your own life and to make that for others. Putting such power in the hands of the unstable is a problem, and further why parts of the conversation do involve psychological checks and revocations if certain acts are committed like domestic violence.

[Deftscythe]

My schools library back in the 90s had metal detectors (don’t ask, idk why that place in particular vs. the others). I never felt like I was walking into a prison.

Can't believe no one else commented on this.

The cultural context for things like metal detectors, bag checks, and pat downs by authority figures is very different for, say, a black teenage boy in 2018 than a white teen girl in the 90s.

[Spicyryan]

Well, at least it was New Jersey being shot up today.

[Salodin]

Can't believe no one else commented on this.

The cultural context for things like metal detectors, bag checks, and pat downs by authority figures is very different for, say, a black teenage boy in 2018 than a white teen girl in the 90s.

As long as we feel safer who cares if we pat down and screen our children daily. Make sure you stop and frisk those dark children half way through the day too, you never know.

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[Niiro]

The things in libraries aren't metal detectors they detect books that haven't been checked out properly.

[Abandon]

You fuckin' chuwero, you wouldn't know shit about dick if one slapped you upside the gums.

fucking lol

[Zetanio]

fucking lol

I too came in here strictly to laff at this.

This thread is terrible.

[Jaybar]

The things in libraries aren't metal detectors they detect books that haven't been checked out properly.

Jesus Christ this.

[Niiro]

Had to take a trip to urban dictionary for that one.

[Salodin]

We need more book theft detectors to keep our schools safe lmao. But these are the things we shill for, and say dems are not providing, in order to keep our children safe.

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[Ksandra]

your outrage falls flat. this is a political forum, ksan. the people here have self-selected to be above-average on political awareness/activity. preaching to the choir, etc.

I am thankful went, honestly.

But you understand you gotta go every year, and if the budget was rejected you have to keep going until one finally passes, correct? And you assume that since you did it once, two years ago, that must represent the majority of BG. I don't believe that, sorry.

[Ksandra]

Can't believe no one else commented on this.

The cultural context for things like metal detectors, bag checks, and pat downs by authority figures is very different for, say, a black teenage boy in 2018 than a white teen girl in the 90s.

1. Show me that there is a huge population of african americans who are against metal detectors at school and I'll listen to that part.

2. These mass school shootings are not happening in primarily african american communities.

3. I can't remotely remember any numbers since it was 20 years ago, but it was pretty even iirc between whites and minorities (mostly african american). According to the current demo of the school it's 59% white (seems now in a trio of african american, hispanic, and asian), which yes is majority, but not like extreme majority.

[Ksandra]

The things in libraries aren't metal detectors they detect books that haven't been checked out properly.

Via metal. I remember having to constantly take out keys n' such to not set the scanners off.


Of course it wasn't going to be for the fear of guns, since columbine hadn't even happened yet. Different times.

But again, show me how at schools with detectors kids are going crazy over feeling like they are in a prison. I just don't see any evidence to suggest that's how metal detectors make kids feel. Banks have them, amusement parks have them, airports have them. Metal detetcors do not automatically equal prison. I don't know why anyone would feel like the addition of them would mean it's now a prison feeling.

[Gredival]

Show me that there is a huge population of african americans who are against metal detectors at school and I'll listen to that part.

...are you kidding me? The African and Latino communities are huge voices of resistance to any "hardening" of schools -- zero tolerance policies, guards, and other securitization -- because these have documented disparately negative impact on children of color.

This isn't about your San Gabriel Valley and Inland Empire suburban schools Ksandra. The argument about the school-to-prison pipeline is specific to schools with high amounts of low income minority students. Think Inglewood and Compton. These schools are model prisons to deal with "problem" youth but essentially condition and normalize authoritarian discipline.

If you really want cites I'll go pull them

[Psion]

Via metal. I remember having to constantly take out keys n' such to not set the scanners off.


Of course it wasn't going to be for the fear of guns, since columbine hadn't even happened yet. Different times.

But again, show me how at schools with detectors kids are going crazy over feeling like they are in a prison. I just don't see any evidence to suggest that's how metal detectors make kids feel. Banks have them, amusement parks have them, airports have them. Metal detectors do not automatically equal prison. I don't know why anyone would feel like the addition of them would mean it's now a prison feeling.

those library scanners aren't detecting metal. they're emitting an electomagnetic field that gets disrupted by the magnetic strips placed in library books. (you may or may not see these strips... i've seen some that look almost like a rounded square piece of paper that look almost like a maze was drawn on them. sometimes they're on the inside of the cover, smarter libraries tend to hide them in the spine of the book or the like where they aren't easily removed.) desensitizing them causes the two magnetic strips they're made of to go in opposite directions, (mostly) cancelling their magnetic field, while when activated they're facing the same way and increasing its strength. the detector senses the disruption in the field its emitting when those strips that aren't deactivated go through it. of course, it's not perfect. sometimes the desensitizer doesn't do it's job properly, sometimes random magnetic or metallic objects happen to be facing just the right way or emitting their own field and disrupt the sensor, sometimes people are just Magneto in disguise and are the bane of those detectors existence.

Assuming of course, it's not the other kind of library anti-theft detector, which uses radio frequencies and tags sorta like those ones your pets can get under their skin. Either way though, they're not detecting metal specifically.

[Zetanio]

...are you kidding me? The African and Latino communities are huge voices of resistance to any "hardening" of schools -- zero tolerance policies, guards, and other securitization -- because these have documented disparately negative impact on children of color.

This isn't about your San Gabriel Valley and Inland Empire suburban schools Ksandra. The argument about the school-to-prison pipeline is specific to schools with high amounts of low income minority students. Think Inglewood and Compton. These schools are model prisons to deal with "problem" youth but essentially condition and normalize authoritarian discipline.

If you really want cites I'll go pull them

But it's hasn't specifically happened to her so her anecdotal evidence trumps you.

[Salodin]

Like I said, you pop out a few kids and suddenly it's all about you and yours and making sure you feel safe.

Nevermind if you are actually safer. That's not important.

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[Emphasis]

While I don't believe simply putting in metal detectors solves the issue, my high school had metal detectors and I was always grateful they were there; and so was every other kid I've ever spoken with about it. Occasionally someone was stopped from bringing something in, but kids still tried to bring in knives and such. Back in 2011 there was news someone got jumped and stabbed.

Like I mentioned before, obviously I think the issue is much larger than just metal detectors though.

[Day]

dingdongs in this thread want to abolish the NRA even though not a single shooter I'm aware of was an NRA member, somehow that will be more effective and efficient than metal detectors because reasons??

people fully acknowledge banning all guns or getting rid of NRA won't stop every single one of these acts but I'm told it will help, but for some reason something as practical as metal detectors won't make every single person safer so no reason to do it.

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[Melena]

dingdongs in this thread want to abolish the NRA even though not a single shooter I'm aware of was an NRA member, somehow that will be more effective and efficient than metal detectors because reasons??

people fully acknowledge banning all guns or getting rid of NRA won't stop every single one of these acts but I'm told it will help, but for some reason something as practical as metal detectors won't make every single person safer so no reason to do it.

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They want the NRA abolished or out of Politics as every republican politician is terrified of losing that sweet NRA money for their campaigns for even thinking of any sort of gun restriction/control.