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  1. #2561
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    Thief revenge vs Saint Cross?

    Pros for Saint Cross: I have both of Agrias relics

    Pros for Thief Revenge: My revenge is already r2; I have native SG and Scream, this allows me to RW Hand of the Emperor, so I'm assuming in most cases I can get over 20k dmg with it. (which would be saint cross' cap)

    My physical build allows me to run both a thf and agrias, so I won't have to pick between the two, just the two abilities really

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    If you have both of Agrias' relics then go for TR. It's more economical to put lifesyphon on her and use her SB and run a thf alongside her with TR.

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    Ramza nearly 65 now. Agrias is 60. All pumped for the Bonus Battles!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    Thief revenge vs Saint Cross?

    Pros for Saint Cross: I have both of Agrias relics

    Pros for Thief Revenge: My revenge is already r2; I have native SG and Scream, this allows me to RW Hand of the Emperor, so I'm assuming in most cases I can get over 20k dmg with it. (which would be saint cross' cap)

    My physical build allows me to run both a thf and agrias, so I won't have to pick between the two, just the two abilities really
    Why not bring both then? Also Saints Cross is also a self esuna and high regen, so great for debuff spamming bosses and TR also restores 30% of dmg to health, so can full heal thf if doing good dmg.

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    Rama and Agrias are the first 2 chars I've egged straight to 65 in a long time.

    After getting them, current egg count
    Minor: 153
    Lesser: 490
    Growth: 1062
    Greater: 482
    Major: 125

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertfb View Post
    Why not bring both then? Also Saints Cross is also a self esuna and high regen, so great for debuff spamming bosses and TR also restores 30% of dmg to health, so can full heal thf if doing good dmg.
    It's a matter of which to hone. They both use wind orbs. So if I want to r3 thief raid, I can't r2 saint cross for a long time or if I bring saint cross straight to r2, I can't r3 either of them for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    Rama and Agrias are the first 2 chars I've egged straight to 65 in a long time.

    After getting them, current egg count
    Minor: 153
    Lesser: 490
    Growth: 1062
    Greater: 482
    Major: 125



    It's a matter of which to hone. They both use wind orbs. So if I want to r3 thief raid, I can't r2 saint cross for a long time or if I bring saint cross straight to r2, I can't r3 either of them for a long time.
    Just use R2 for both then, doesn't hinder dmg, esp since 5 stars are roughly SB dmg, so 2x R2 5 stars is better then 1x R3 5 star.

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    R2 both is the correct answer.

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    I will egg Ramza and Agrias as soon as bonus battles come out, just running dailies to save eggs for when the time comes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaslo View Post
    I will egg Ramza and Agrias as soon as bonus battles come out, just running dailies to save eggs for when the time comes
    Already egged them to 65, first chars i've ever egged from 50 to 65, gonna do same for Relm since I want their RMs asap since i'm a completionist!

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    There are a lot of Shout/SS/Lunatic high RWs readily available.

    How would anyone feel about having Cleansing Strike? Get some damage plus some extra mitigation (may be good for those of you who have native wall already?) that stacks w/ your current options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    There are a lot of Shout/SS/Lunatic high RWs readily available.

    How would anyone feel about having Cleansing Strike? Get some damage plus some extra mitigation (may be good for those of you who have native wall already?) that stacks w/ your current options?
    Cleansing Strike is as good as HH if you have a single boss, so yeah it should be a great stackable RW option, esp since few will have that option.

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    I can switch to it if anyone is saturated with Shout RWs.

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    What's HH?

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    I tried shout with hand of the emperor, and wow. Did 8k a hit with TR against elite dungeon boss. I'm so sad I don't have native wall so I can do it against everything forever.

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    Man I just downloaded Andy emulator and it's pretty godlike.

    I tried playing on my PC before w/ Bluestacks and it really sucked, lol. Playing with Andy the game runs smoother than it does my phone, and nice to be able to play with my house than having to use my touch screen (While simultaneously draining my phone battery).

    Can just use this at home, and my phone when I'm out and about

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    Putting a 5* skill on somebody with an SSB or a great SB like Agrias is such a waste. It's about a 10% DPS increase, but it's less bursty, and the orbs are much better spent on other abilities.

    That being said, 5* skills are great for realm-restricted Cid missions, in which case both TR and SC have strengths and weaknesses. For that purpose, I would go R2 both for now, and then R3 SC when you can (since it requires less MWOs).

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    Well, not everyone have access to Lifesiphon, in those cases a 5* skill is a good substitute. It's a rare instance, but still possible.

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    After the Tactics bonus battles I'll slap SC on Leon so he can do even more damage :D Plus HotE+Shout crazyness.

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    Yay devout RM2

    As for vivi he got so weak defence i have to s/l a lot to keep champion

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