Final Fantasy: Record Keeper 2016 Advancilate Twins

[Kirbyprime]

bought all 3 for this week. have to decide whether to farm mandies or dailies for grass now =/

[Tyrath]

Bah I'm lacking 1 major lightning to take Thiefs Revenge to R3. Come on dailies!

[Rooney]

Just checked what I could hone, and I can do SC to r2 and TR to r3. Is there anything big coming up that I should be saving orbs for? That will pretty much wipe out my lightning/wind orbs.

[arus2001]

I'd vote for SC, but I'm at r3 SC and r2 TR, myself. Knights have been more useful for me than THFs and if I put Steal Power on anything these days, it's Bartz, who can't use TR anyway.

[Rooney]

I can do both. I can't take SC to r3 due to lack of holy orbs. I guess a clearer question would be if wind/lightning orbs are used for anything in the near future.

[Kaslo]

I'd vote for SC, but I'm at r3 SC and r2 TR, myself. Knights have been more useful for me than THFs and if I put Steal Power on anything these days, it's Bartz, who can't use TR anyway.

Yeah I'm debating doing another SC because I dig Knights (especially PLDs since they can cover Protect/Shell so Y'shtola doesn't have a billion buffs to apply)

[Alkar]

Well I have Hand of the Emperor so I was kinda forced to hone Saint Cross (currently R3). No regrets

[Kirbyprime]

I find SC better than TR for most cases regardless. TR requires full buffs to shine which isn't possible in all cases. SC hits pretty hard to begin and low maintenance.

[synistar]

Since I'm a long way off to honing SC to R3 (earth and holy orbs), is it worth to hone Multibreak to R2? Caveat is I got Penelo's stupid staff on this banner. Also have Full Break R2 as well (full time Ramza Shout Lifesiphon + FB)

Also haven't gotten Locke's MC2 either (don't feel like honing TR right now) and probably would use the remaining MC2 lode on another white mage (Lenna or Vanille since I have both of their medicas) or Rinoa.

[Anakron]

I find SC better than TR for most cases regardless. TR requires full buffs to shine which isn't possible in all cases. SC hits pretty hard to begin and low maintenance.

How is that? At five hits, TR has a higher multiplier than SC, whose hits may actually cap. All else being equal, TR will hit harder than SC. Buffs will benefit TR more so than SC.

The only reason SC may hit harder overall is if your Knight has higher ATK, but that difference should be minor.

[Ratatapa]

The reson is that usually knights are stronger then thieves

[kuronosan]

I have so many holy orbs to go for R3.

[Prothescar]

i wish they would stop playing with my emotions

[kuronosan]

Knights can dispel.

[Anakron]

The reson is that usually knights are stronger then thieves

Knights have better stats overall, and arguably have better kits, but they barely edge out thieves in the ATK category. Certainly not enough to say that TR requires buffs, whereas SC hits hard by itself, which was what I pointed out.

All things considered, SC is probably the more widely usable skill of the two, but it's not because it hits harder than TR. Which one is better depends entirely on what relics you have.


ATK at 80:
Locke - 167
Zidane - 168

Agrias - 173
Gilgamesh - 160
Cecil - 158

[Uzor]

Speaking of Thief skills, what does the 6* skill "Steal Fighting Spirit" do? I can't find any information about it.

[Kirin]

Speaking of Thief skills, what does the 6* skill "Steal Fighting Spirit" do? I can't find any information about it.

I think its a Steal Power + Magic Breakdown level effect.

[Kirbyprime]

Knights have better stats overall, and arguably have better kits, but they barely edge out thieves in the ATK category. Certainly not enough to say that TR requires buffs, whereas SC hits hard by itself, which was what I pointed out.

All things considered, SC is probably the more widely usable skill of the two, but it's not because it hits harder than TR. Which one is better depends entirely on what relics you have.


ATK at 80:
Locke - 167
Zidane - 168

Agrias - 173
Gilgamesh - 160
Cecil - 158

Sorry, could have phrased it better. I'm not saying that SC is stronger than TR. I'm saying that they're comparable. It's fairly expected that TR hits hard which was why I merely said that SC also hit hard.

Anyways, disregarding that, I'm mostly basing my argument on my own setup / loadout where thieves are mostly still hitting for 4 hits and not 5. I think only Locke in VI and Zidane can hit 5 for me. Agrias generally just works for every realm respectively ( obviously loses to Locke/Zidane in realm synergy )

[Tokitoki]

Locke can hit 5 times at 80. Zidane can as well. Could use them both outside their own realm if you wanted to. As you said, depends on your own setup.

[Kirbyprime]

Locke can hit 5 times at 80.

Never unlocked him, he's still at 65. Or was it Zidane, w/e, one of the 2 is still at 65.