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  1. #5481
    Ridill
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    Saint Cross would pretty much be my suggested "must have" after FB and MB.

    Thief's Revenge suffers to needing good thief weapons in synergy realms to make the skill shine in U/U+ alonside Shout and other debuffs.
    Full Charge is somewhat similar, as while it can individually break 20k, it's something SC can come close to without needing more action time and more easily if holy weakness is in play.
    Power Chain may cut FC's use time, but you also gotta look at it as combined use time. For perhaps 1.6 moves, you get 25k damage or so in harder content. Meanwhile, looking back to SC again, 2 rounds could net you 40k. Frankly, I find PC more useful to trigger SBs quickly.
    Dark Zone kinda comes off as the mage version of SC, has the MM synergy, and can now be employed in most realms for the sake of CMs. I can't speak of the chain spells since I don't play JP, but this would be my choice after SC if coming up fresh.

    I can't really bring myself to say Bahamut is worth it with how summons level. It's a lot of orbs for just 3 uses and you need an incredibly pimped summoner to really make it shine over the MM/DZ combo. I've only ever used it in the summoner dungeon, if that's saying anything for viability.

    Other stuff like Doppleblade, Poison Grenade, Flashing Blade, and the dragoon abilities are more a matter of convenience for daily/orb farming. Yeah, they've had some occasional boss handiness, but if you chance upon a decent SB for someone who can equip Life Siphon, odds are you're just going to be spamming that with them, anyway. For example, Gabranth is technically the strongest character I have now with his armor if a mob is dark weak, as 70k in a single use is possible. Meanwhile, Lightning with her BSB is probably closer to 40-45k due to how low the multi-hits are mathed out and there being no element to exploit.

  2. #5482
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    The single-target 5* Dragoon ability is extremely strong when combined with the dragoon ability that removes jump timer. And a lot of easier to use than chain starter + full charge.

  3. #5483
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    To put things into perspective for various 5* abilities mentioned, here are some DPS figures.

    Time per rotation (ATB approximated at 1.75 sec, will vary slightly depending on actual character SPD):

    Saint Cross = 1.75 ATB + 1.8 SC = 3.55 sec
    Powercharge = 1.75 ATB + 1.2 PC + 1.75 ATB + 0.01 FC = 4.71 sec
    Dragoon Jump + Blood = 1.75 ATB + 1.65 BofW + 1.75 ATB + 1.51 DJ + 1.75 ATB + 1.51 DJ = 9.92 sec
    Thief's Revenge = 1.75 ATB + 1.2 TR = 2.95 sec

    DPS:

    Saint Cross unboosted = 3.4 / 3.55 = 0.96
    20% boost = 1.15 (i.e. Plat shield or excalibur)
    40% boost = 1.34 (i.e. plat shield and excalibur)
    50% boost = 1.44 (enholy only)
    70% boost = 1.63 (enholy + plat shield or excalibur)
    90% boost = 1.72 (enholy + plat shield and excalibur)

    Powercharge = (2.0 + 4.68) / 4.71 = 1.42
    Dragoon Jump + Blood = (2.2 + 4.7 + 4.7) / 9.92 = 1.17
    Thief's Revenge = 3.5 / 2.95 = 1.19

    Considerations:
    -Powercharge is the highest dps unless you have enholy, but needs 2 5* skills that both need power and wind orbs, and only usable in 3 realms currently for CM purposes. Also worth noting that powercharge will gain SB significantly quicker averaging 1 skill used per 2.35 sec as opposed to 3.55 sec for SC. While full charge is decent on its own, the main reason to hone powerchain is to pair with full charge, using powerchain for anything other than cancelling the cast time for full charge, sb, or rw activation is not worth it.

    -Saint cross is the most versatile for CM purposes (11 realms currently), but requires at least 1 piece of holy boost gear and/or enholy to avoid lagging behind the other options. When getting to the higher boost amounts, a small amount of DPS is likely to be lost to the damage cap. For CM purposes, you're unlikely to have enholy for most realms, so the 0-40% boost figures are the relevant ones the vast majority of the time.

    -Dragoon Jump is usable for CM in 6 realms. There will be an improved version in about 2.5 months with 4 hits and lightning element (making it boostable by gear and enthunder).

    -Thief's revenge is usable for CM in 8 realms. The HP drain is very helpful for alleviating stress from your healer. All thieves have access to steal power for shout level boosting if unable to run shout making it self sustainable. The high wind and dark orb requirement is a significant drawback though.

    -Although hard to compare bahamut to the above as magic damage formulas work a lot differently and only 1 use per hone level, there isnt much reason to hone if you're not into mage meta currently (even then, it's debatable) as better options are set to come around the time mage meta starts to get love.

  4. #5484
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    Saints it is. I have Beatrix, Delita, Agrias, Basch, soon Celes, and holy boosts.

  5. #5485
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    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!

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    Small reminder, depending when you do said events, we are getting like 46 mythrils in 3 days

    06/09 Daily 1, DU24 16 17
    07/09 Daily 1, Shop 1, Find Chaos Waldo 6, Find Cosmos Waldo 4 12
    08/09 Daily 2, Twitter campaign 5, FFV event 10 17

  6. #5486
    Ridill
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    Damn, I will be just short of being able to do 3 Greg 1 pulls and the lucky pull.

  7. #5487
    BG's most likeable Québécois
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!

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    Not for long but woooo


  8. #5488
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    I know it's not a game, but it would be awesome if this game had a Shannara collab. Imagine how many more charcters we could have if they did them for each storyline. :D

  9. #5489
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    holy hell that's a blast from the past. i read the original SoS trilogy 20 years ago!

  10. #5490
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    Sweaty Dick Punching Enthusiast

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    Also random as fuck.

  11. #5491
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moridam View Post
    holy hell that's a blast from the past. i read the original SoS trilogy 20 years ago!
    Wouldn't you just love to have Allanon, Balinor, Menion Leah, Hendel, Flik, Shea, Durin, Dayel, etc in FFRK?

  12. #5492
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    Lucky Banner tonight, how is the game gonna disappoint me this time? 0/11 or dupes? We'll see!

  13. #5493
    BG's most likeable Québécois
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkar View Post
    Lucky Banner tonight, how is the game gonna disappoint me this time? 0/11 or dupes? We'll see!
    Doubt it will be 50 but wondering to pull or not if its 50

  14. #5494
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    If it's 50 it's a skip for me but I highly doubt that. It's gonna be half priced.

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    If it's 50 I'm skipping.

  16. #5496
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    I'm swimming in 5 gear but have basically nothing for 12 or 13, so my disappointment is going to be dupes of 5 gear I already have

    or, you know, 0/11

  17. #5497
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    My XIII sinergy is ok (although I could use some utility SBs there) but XII and V are lacking so hoping for those.

  18. #5498
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    Hummm, almost time. Let's see whether the lucky banner this time will be fruitful.

  19. #5499
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    RW:
    Kuja 65 Darkflare Star
    Ramza 52 and climbing to 80 Shout
    Selphie 65 Dreamstage

    What would be the best RW? The easy answer is Shout, but I feel like so many people have that as RW that it's almost redundant. Dreamstage maybe better? Kuja only really saw use during Dissidia; probably not a good option.

  20. #5500
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    I'd probably say Dreamstage just in case people run their dailies without a healer. I put Lightning's BSB over my SG as its use as an RW dropped pretty hard once people could more reliably do the 15 stamina EXP dailies without.

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