February 2016 Version Update - Discussion & Findings

[Sephiran]

But how hard are they to solo without already having vorseals and escha gear? Vorseals alone can give well over 100 accuracy, for example, which can mean the difference between capped and minimum hit rate.

That's also assuming that everyone has a job that is good at soloing lower Escha NMs. Someone who's only decently geared job is white mage is going to have a good amount of trouble soloing most escha NMs, especially if they're using older gear.

Plus, people who are just now catching up are unlikely to have all of the good trusts that make solos like these so much easier; for example, Amchuchu isn't available right now, and August can be very hard to get if unlucky, and many Escha NMs just tear through other, inferior tanks (especially if you have low vorseal readouts).

I wish I had Amchuchu...

In any case, I'm always personally humiliated by asking for help, so I look rigorously for ways to solo things that meet the conditions to be soloable. In the case of PLD, this entails the following: Reconcilable knockback, predictable damage natures (Aegis or Ochain, swapping rarely), lack of unavoidable instant death moves; incapacitating moves; or moves that disable blocking, alignable adds (if any) that meet all of the above criterion, and absence of necessity of certain damage types or at least ranged and hand-to-hand types.

[Helldemon]

emo much? You actually consider the upgrade difficult? wow. People are farming the 10k beitetsu/boulder/pluton in about 24 hours playtime. In comparison, farming 30k alex takes about 10x the amount of time (about 240 hours playtime) to farm (not buy). And Level II afterglows? It depends on which weapon type, but for mythics, at my current average rate of farming scoria (yes, I am taking the pics and killing all the NMs) it is going to take me about 300 hours of playtime. And yes, I am still going the Level II afterglow route. You probably won't be able to understand this, like so many other people, but MMOs are not about the endpoint of obtaining something, they are about the journey of obtaining something. Otherwise you might as well just buy gil and get all your stuff instantly. But a problem arises when you do that. Then you have nothing left to obtain and the game is boring at that point. Learn to enjoy the journey.

I would like to know how you are getting 110 pluton/beitetsu/riftborn every 15 mins. Or do hardmode battles on VD drop 6 boxes every fight? I did see someone mention delve so maybe that's where people are farming that much. I hadn't done delve in a long time and haven't even seen any mention from anyone on my server of them dropping the upgrade items.

And I'm not emo, that reply was simply based on how much Alex I can farm compared to how many RME items I can farm in a similar amount of time which was roughly 4-6 times more. So if you thought it should be 50k pluton/boulder/beitetsu then I didn't see why alex couldn't be upped to 300k.

[Lyramion]

Or do hardmode battles on VD drop 6 boxes every fight?

Most likely including like 2 mules per person

[Ihina]

Just picked up my finished Twashtar. That's 2/3 daggers done. Just need 4300 more beits to finish Vajra.

I want to go test the triple damage rate with aftermath up. Do kparser or logger addon still work? I haven't checked in awhile, but last I checked, they were both having issues.

[Byrthnoth]

Someone already parsed it and the ODT rate is the same as ODD was. I finished mine this morning as well.

[Ihina]

Neato.

Thanks.

Gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm guessing the DA/TA rate on Mythics are also the same?

[Sephiran]

Neato.

Thanks.

Gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm guessing the DA/TA rate on Mythics are also the same?

What I'm quite personally curious about is whether or not the change of "Increases [Magic] Accuracy/Attack" to "Increases [Magic] Accuracy and Attack" means what I think it means. I will be thrilled if it implies the accumulation of aftermath effects as opposed to mutual exclusiveness.

[Byrthnoth]

It doesn't. Upgraded mythics have the same AM1/2 as level 99 mythics (only Acc or Attack at a given time).

[Hercule]

Holly shit!

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/587563ApocHaste.jpg

[Sechs]

How long do the new relic Aftermath last?

[Sephiran]

It doesn't. Upgraded mythics have the same AM1/2 as level 99 mythics (only Acc or Attack at a given time).

I am greatly disappointed by that fact.

[Fwahm]

Holly shit!

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/587563ApocHaste.jpg

That would have been great 10 years ago, but it being JA haste is barely better than gear haste in today's environment.

[Jem]

As someone pointed out in the other topic, it might actually be counterproductive because most heavy armor sets only give 22% Haste. So you're going to need to use the waist slot or an augment to cap haste with just Haste 2.

[Byrthnoth]

Also, JA Haste doesn't affect spell recasts. They should have made it a unique haste category and then decided whether or not (or how much) it would exceed the cap. Oh well!

[Kyte]

As someone pointed out in the other topic, it might actually be counterproductive because most heavy armor sets only give 22% Haste. So you're going to need to use the waist slot or an augment to cap haste with just Haste 2.

Grounded Mantle +1 (one of the better accuracy swaps) has 2% haste, so you aren't necessarily as short as you might think. Carmine might be worth looking into as well.

[Fwahm]

R15 Egeking gives Accuracy +50, Magic Accuracy +30, Fast Cast +8%.

[Helldemon]

Most likely including like 2 mules per person

Sorry, it has to be something anyone can do since he wants to talk about how easy it is so I don't count needing 3+ accounts. It also doesn't count if only a couple jobs are capable of doing it.

[Funkworkz]

Wiki still missing Terpander, Deathlocke and Polyhymnia rank 15 values.

[Yeager]

Wiki still missing Terpander, Deathlocke and Polyhymnia rank 15 values.

I was the one that threw a few stones onto the Derpander and got the initial values. I'll blow some gil tomorrow (I'm almost broke but it's for SCIENCE) and find out the R15 value for you and make the necessary edit on the BG Wiki.

Sadly I don't have the COR or DNC JSE weapons, so you'll have to get that info from someone else.

[Petitssk]

According to the JP Wiki,

Terpander gets: HP+30, Magic Accuracy +10 and Damage taken -3%,
Deathlocke gets: Magic Damage +30, Magic Attack +10 and AGI +10 and
Polyhymnia gets: Accuracy +50, Store TP+8 and Weaponskill Damage +5%.

About to head to work, so if anyone wants to edit it, feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'll do it in a few hours.