Pokémon Sun/Moon - Nov 18, 2016

[Draylo]

If this is as boringly easy as the last two Pokemon games then I think I'm done with it for a while. I'm not into the competitive battling and I loved the gym leader tournament they had in Black/White 2 but since then everything is just so boringly easy. Everyone has like three Pokemon and you can just one shot them all, we'll see I guess.

[Scythiroth]

I'm just hoping for an interesting "post game" after the Elite Four. Because yeah, I don't really play these games against other people either. >.>

The games will probably continue being really easy though, which I don't really have that big of a problem with. Pokemon games have never really been -that- hard. Exp share changes just made it a lot easier to level pokemon now.

[Anoat]

So is this gonna be a good game before I go and drop $250 on a 3DS XL and game? For reference I had a 2DS and hated it (I won't go back to a non-clam shell design ever again), played Leaf Green and Heart Gold and loved them but absolutely hated Y. I honestly think it was the 3D overworld that did it. Never tried Black or White. Maybe I should just get Ruby/Sapphire instead?

[Robertfb]

So is this gonna be a good game before I go and drop $250 on a 3DS XL and game? For reference I had a 2DS and hated it (I won't go back to a non-clam shell design ever again), played Leaf Green and Heart Gold and loved them but absolutely hated Y. I honestly think it was the 3D overworld that did it. Never tried Black or White. Maybe I should just get Ruby/Sapphire instead?

If you hated Y then this probably won't be the game for you, doubt they'll drastically alter it compared to past gen. R/S is basically the original, but given the current gen makeover.

[Kirin]

X/Y had a little bit of growing pains, as it was the initial transition to full on 3D. ORAS did it much more smoothly, but it lacked the "flair" that was in X/Y. I fully expect S/M to be the full realization of what they wanted X/Y to be without the whole first time mulligan.

[Hitou]

To me the only games that had something cool after the elite four was G/S and by extension HG/SS. Because you got to go to kanto and fight all the gyms there. Some people love the battle frontier for whatever reason but to me it's just as boring/tedious as the battle tower in D/P, the battle subway in B/W, or the battle maison/chateau in X/Y.

[Ratatapa]

To me the only games that had something cool after the elite four was G/S and by extension HG/SS. Because you got to go to kanto and fight all the gyms there. Some people love the battle frontier for whatever reason but to me it's just as boring/tedious as the battle tower in D/P, the battle subway in B/W, or the battle maison/chateau in X/Y.

I always wondered what endgame was for pokemon, I mostly assume that it was, catch the rest, level them all and play vs people online

[Rooney]

Breeding. The endgame is breeding for hours on end to get one perfect pokemon.

[Kirin]

XYORAS made breeding a lot easier with the changes to ditto breeding, IV inheritence, and EV farming. Once you get a few items set (good Ditto pool, IV items, etc) you can get a perfect IV max EV correct nature/ability pokemon in maybe an hour with a little luck. Two tops.

I'd like to see more added postgame; as mentioned like the option to re-explore Kanto in G/S It would be neat to revisit Sinnoh since we havn't been there in a bit. Or having Alola be islands off the coast of Kanto/Johto and have us revisit those for Pokemon's Anniversary.

If not that, then maybe they can do something unique a have us revisit the Alola gyms with a more difficult level and upgraded pokemon. Just something to add a few extra hours to the game before diving in to breeding/fighting.

[Draylo]

I personally think they should remove the IV system or greatly simplify it. That is one of things I hated about competitive battling, if you weren't max IV/EV you couldn't even compete. Who wants to sit for two hours breeding eggs and shit? Boring and most people just use generators to bypass it.

[Omniyoji]

Ya battling nowadays isn't like it used to be when I was in middle school. People would actually use Pokemon they liked. There was no hacking so everyone was on an even playing field. Psychics were broken tho. Nowadays nearly everyone uses Legendaries for battling oh and they're probably hacked.... where's the fun in that?

[Rooney]

At least you don't need females now, unless you're trying to pass down a higher level move. Seriously hate those 7/8 male species for that.

[Tohmane]

I personally think they should remove the IV system or greatly simplify it. That is one of things I hated about competitive battling, if you weren't max IV/EV you couldn't even compete. Who wants to sit for two hours breeding eggs and shit? Boring and most people just use generators to bypass it.

The main reason I put down Y shortly after beating it.

[Hitou]

People seriously complaining about the EV/IV system in X/Y onward never used it in older games. That crap was tedious as hell and you have no idea how good we have it now. If you don't like the meta game (the only place IV's and EV's matter) then don't bother with it. If they removed everything anyone thought was boring in videogames they wouldn't exist at all.

[Draylo]

Older games nobody cared because most were still young and used their favorites. Now everyone min/max and has all these crazy builds its a necessity to have those stats maxed to stand any chance. It just makes the game incredibly boring after you beat the E4 when there's nothing else but competitive battling. Then the majority of the game you just one shot all three of the pokemon each person has, its gotten stale. The system is dumb and just blocks people from further enjoying the games. I can see leaving EV system in there as it makes sense, but IV is stupid and breeding for hours is just no fun and pointless with all these generators out there.

[haroldsaxon]

I remember using it for one of the games. Didn't have the drive to do more than two perfect EV/IV's, but it was fun watching them stomp.

I'd like to do it for Sun/Moon though.

[Seravi Edalborez]

You could always just draw an arbitrary line where you want to go for effort. Like I stopped at moveset, nature, and "okay" IVs. Shit my first real "raised" pokemon was a Choice Scarf Gallade in DP that had a 4 in speed and pretty low attack IV too from what I could tell. Still capable of busting skulls back in the glory days of PBR Wii online. Only made a difference in outspeeding maybe 2-3 common threats at that time (Starmie is the only one where I was like "wtf it's still faster?") and 1/2HKOing others.

Trying to tell IVs back in gen4 was pretty dumb btw. I remember what I did is upload my new batch of babies to PBR and loaded up a local level 50 upscale battle and manually check the stat ranges on Serebii. Which only told you every odd IV because of how rounding worked. And I did this for at least 50 raised 'mons with over 50 eggs each, some more some less. Eventually even the level 5 baby stats you can sometimes tell which are automatic garbage. I don't even know how you check in X/Y/OR/AS but I'm sure it's a hell of a lot less tedious.

Even with the improvements the most tedious part is just setting up imo. Getting your Ditto farm and grinding for the EV hold items. Aside, my favorite ingame non-competitve pokemon were the Magcargo (Slugmom) that hatched me like a million eggs in gen4, Talonflame that took over in Y, and my HM slave lv100 Linoone squad with Pickup for random goodies.

[haroldsaxon]

Well, it was more than I had RL stuff and I always felt I could delay it. I'd tend to do things as a "go big or go home". No sense half assing it.

[Lyall]

Raising pokemon is much better since X/Y but it's still obnoxious. You play a game with a team so you can start completely over and hatch eggs for hours so you can then resume playing the game. It's not surprising there's a hard break between people willing to do it and people not willing to do it. For anyone who wants to drop into battle with the team they used through the main content, well, no need to look for it online.

[Serra]

Filthy casuals.