The Boys - Season 3 June 3, 2022

[Andalusian girls]

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that said, feel the general arcs were consistent with the characters and a lot of people don't understand what they're watching.

was made p apparent Soldier Boy wanted to kill Homelander because of his daddy issues / need to be the best, or does anyone actually think he cared about Homelander being a saucy sausage? Soulja came down on killing him mostly because he thought he was a pussy and because he wanted his spot back. can root for that because fuck HL but in no way are his motivations rational or honorable.

Butcher breaking at the last minute to save Ryan was also in character and the culmination of a multi-season arc. he engaged on this revenge mission solely to avenge Becca, not because he was some for the greater good utilitarian and killing Homelander was the right thing to do. and his love of Becca combined with guilt over Lenny (which he was literally just forced to relive) made him realize he wasn't willing to kill her son to avenge her. it was a moment of growth, a moment of hypocrisy, a human moment that was being set up for a while and people are irate that he didn't behave like the maniac anti-hero trauma had hitherto turned him into. Butcher is not a good person. in the words of the mindreader who looked into his mind for five seconds, that guy's a piece of shit. but he's tryna be better.

Soldier Boy was never the big bad of this season, the Boys were ripped apart because of the ethical short cuts some of them were willing to take (which SB represented), the collateral damage and innocent dead they were willing to accept to defeat Homelander. and that kind of moral compromise was where the heart of the struggle was. lot more nuanced than look at the evil Nazi of season 2 so i get why people are struggling with it.

doesn't excuse the sloppiness, the blocking with Ryan was shit, Kimiko tone, pacing bad, etc, but just like the power levels bitching feel the echo chamber criticism is getting real out of whack. it was a medioish episode to a great season but people acting like it's season 8 Game of Thrones.

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I’m pretty disappointed we didn’t get some interaction between Black Noir and Soldier Boy. Felt like a good part of the season was leading up to that but alas.

suspect he'll be back for season 4, otherwise ya that was a lot of development for a dead end

[Karbuncle]

Also maybe I missed some spoilers but in regards to Soldier Boy

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What a character. Really, he was a piece of shit, but by his era's standards hes spot on. I mean, the 1950's didn't exactly look positively on feminine males, blacks or homosexuality and obviously he is a product of that era, and by todays standards he's basically a monster bigotry wise. But they kept giving him small humanity moments. Him drinking himself stupid after learning Homelander was his son, his moment with Hughie when he explains he didn't mean to hurt those people during his first PTSD episode, him wanting to be a father to try and do better than his dad did..

All juxtaposed with what can only be described as the perfect combination of toxic machismo from the 1950's taken go the 11's and being just the biggest piece of shit when it comes to Stolen Valor and being a team leader. He was clearly not a "Good guy" and he was brutally violent toward at the very least Black Noir, but it definitely felt like they weren't trying to portray him as an evil equal to homelander, just more as a product of the time he was raised in. Horrible by our standards, but when he was around in the 1950's everything he did was socially acceptable(Aside from probably faking all those War battles)

Oh and for a topic that came up before, he was openly racist at least once in a "Show not tell" way. in Herogasm, MM told him he killed his family and he responded "Which one?".

[spoiler]that said, feel the general arcs were consistent with the characters and a lot of people don't understand what they're watching.

Spoiler: show

was made p apparent Soldier Boy wanted to kill Homelander because of his daddy issues / need to be the best, or does anyone actually think he cared about Homelander being a saucy sausage? Soulja came down on killing him mostly because he thought he was a pussy and because he wanted his spot back. can root for that because fuck HL but in no way are his motivations rational or honorable.

Butcher breaking at the last minute to save Ryan was also in character and the culmination of a multi-season arc. he engaged on this revenge mission solely to avenge Becca, not because he was some for the greater good utilitarian and killing Homelander was the right thing to do. and his love of Becca combined with guilt over Lenny (which he was literally just forced to relive) made him realize he wasn't willing to kill her son to avenge her. it was a moment of growth, a moment of hypocrisy, a human moment that was being set up for a while and people are irate that he didn't behave like the maniac anti-hero trauma had hitherto turned him into. Butcher is not a good person. in the words of the mindreader who looked into his mind for five seconds, that guy's a piece of shit. but he's tryna be better.

Soldier Boy was never the big bad of this season, the Boys were ripped apart because of the ethical short cuts some of them were willing to take (which SB represented), the collateral damage and innocent dead they were willing to accept to defeat Homelander. and that kind of moral compromise was where the heart of the struggle was. lot more nuanced than look at the evil Nazi of season 2 so i get why people are struggling with it.

doesn't excuse the sloppiness, the blocking with Ryan was shit, Kimiko tone, pacing bad, etc, but just like the power levels bitching feel the echo chamber criticism is getting real out of whack. it was a medioish episode to a great season but people acting like it's season 8 Game of Thrones.

I think I agree with everything you said.

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I think Butcher cares about Ryan, the whole shtick with him telling him to fuck off in the early episodes seemed more like wanting to protect him in his own fucked up way than actually hating him. Like he simply didnt want Ryan involved at all and that maybe it would be better if Ryan hated Butcher because Butcher knows hes not a good person. That kinda blew up in his face though, RIP.

Starlight, unfortunately, feels like one of those characters in the show now that the writers dont know what to do with. Most of her parts in this show is being a very low-tier Supe with a gimmick super power whose only real super-power is making Homelander look bad on Social Media. I wish she had more of a role, and her charge up in the finally was super disappointing, and just kinda highlights how weak she is. And I get that shes suppose to just be essentially a publicity gimmick super hero, but I wish she got more to do. Not to mention I felt like the drama between her and Hughie in regards to him not wanting to always be the weak coward who needs protecting was extremely forced and fake feeling.

Kimiko... yah, idk if she's just embracing her inner monster or something but that scene with her and the music was awkward as heck. I mean dang, theres wanting to protect the people you love and then theres just absolutely mauling dudes to music. I still love the character but I think someone made a bad call on that scene, maybe I dont understand her Arc this season but it felt weirdly over the top. Like does she enjoy brutalizing people now or not?

Frenchie's ark was great. I like what they did with him.

MM had some good moments, but dont feel like he got to do a lot this season other than punch that dude.

Maeve(sp?) being able to beat up on Homelander a bit absolutely didnt seem out of place for me. She lost her confidence and absolutely couldnt take him one on one if he was being serious, but theres no reason for me not to believe she could cause SOME damage to him if she was going full on, I mean, Hughie and Butcher were, while losing, beating the shit out of him with the help of Soldier Boy just an episode before.

Like I said, disappointed by the season finale, but enjoyed the episodes still. I was kinda just hoping for more I guess.

Edit: Okay unfucked the post.

[Karbuncle]

Whoopsie.

[Milkster]

wrong phial of nerve gas.

Maeve tossed it out at the apartment.

[6souls]

Maeve tossed it out at the apartment.

She tossed the one they acquired. Dan's post says the one made at Vought Tower was tossed.

[6souls]

https://deadline.com/2022/07/the-boy...ir-1235060686/

Every political joke was based off of the news cycle from the past 6 years, none of the celebrities in the "Imagine" parody were paid, and the fate of Black Noir..

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KRIPKE: Here’s what I’ll say without spoiling anything, which is that particular individual who is Black Noir is dead. His organs are out all over the place, but when you have a completely silent, completely masked-clad hero, they’re reasonably easy to recast.

[Tyrath]

https://deadline.com/2022/07/the-boy...ir-1235060686/

Every political joke was based off of the news cycle from the past 6 years, none of the celebrities in the "Imagine" parody were paid, and the fate of Black Noir..

Spoiler: show

Oh sweet we getting faux Black Noir next season

[Xno Kappa]

Would be pretty dope to get..

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Zombie/Cyborg Black Noir being kept alive and obedient to Homelander.

[Krandor]

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Just don't turn him into comic Noir and we're gtg

[6souls]

I love how low-key impactful the Deep is

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[fantasticdan]

wrong phial of nerve gas.

My bad, combined the two in my head.

...Oh and for a topic that came up before, he was openly racist at least once in a "Show not tell" way. in Herogasm, MM told him he killed his family and he responded "Which one?".

I took that as a "I've done a lot of collateral damage, you'll have to be more specific" kind of thing at the time of the episode. Soldier Boy himself came across as pretty open-minded for his time, if anything. Like when he arrives in NY, he sees an interracial gay couple, and his response is an expression that looks like "huh, I guess that's a thing now", not one of disgust. IIRC, the most bigoted thing we actually see him do is call Homelander/Hughie pussies, which is like Maeve tier.

Feels like they rewrote things after filming most of the actor's scenes, because the SB we get on screen and the one we are told is a racist supervillain don't line up. From what we see first hand, he's just a violent, revenge driven asshole (like Butcher) that is somewhat indifferent to the collateral damage he causes (like Atrain).

[Tyrath]

I think it was intended as both. He's killed a lot of people but he's also a racist POS

[Xno Kappa]

Unless M.M.’s Dominican, I honestly didn’t take that line as racist at all. Came off more Batman Beyond Blight meme.

[Krandor]

Soldier Boy is a shitty person but a lot of the stuff he talked about was largely him being a product of the times.

His portrayal here was pretty similar to how Captain America was shown in the Ultimate Marvel comics. Not evil or really intending to be an asshole, just someone who's values and knowledge of the world don't match up with the present day.

[Qalbert]

Soldier Boy is a shitty person but a lot of the stuff he talked about was largely him being a product of the times.

[Andalusian girls]

think Soldier Boy being a sign of his times is largely the point, but not intended as any kind of absolution. idea is that his times sucked ass and racism sexism wanting to murder your son for being a pussy etc were the norm.

saying he wasn't intending to be evil or an asshole is certainly a take. must've missed the part where he regularly physically and mentally abused members of his team while threatening to murder them for not obeying him

[Andalusian girls]

but have come to fully agree with Souj that clearly there's a failure on storytelling when so much of the fanbase is still trying to defend him or soft-sell how bad he is. showing his abuse only in cartoon form + things like killing MM's family and brutalizing civil rights protestors we're only told about, and it's contrasted with Jensen Ackles being handsome and funny and bad ass in person. missteps all around would be a lot harder to defend him if we got images of him murdering some college kids at Kent State and dropping a hard r.

[Xno Kappa]

Plus the dude can sing. You can’t expect me to hate a motherfucka with pipes like that.

[Xno Kappa]

Flash ain’t no dude.

[Milkster]

think Soldier Boy being a sign of his times is largely the point, but not intended as any kind of absolution. idea is that his times sucked ass and racism sexism wanting to murder your son for being a pussy etc were the norm.

saying he wasn't intending to be evil or an asshole is certainly a take. must've missed the part where he regularly physically and mentally abused members of his team while threatening to murder them for not obeying him

I mean this is Butcher though and can be half the boys depending on the situation.