WARNING SPOILERS!! Captain America: Civil War - Discussion Thread - SPOILERS!!

[Serra]

I for one enjoy spreading stupid articles, so here ya go:
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...r-bucky-barnes

[Hirronimus]

Or because it wouldn't have torn the Avengers apart. Zemo's problem was not only with Stark and Cap, it was with all the Avengers. Would he have caused a fight between Cap and Stark? Sure. But the team would not have divided themselves like they did in the movie.

Also, don't forget that MCU Zemo was a Colonel in Socovia's Elite Military branch. It's safe to assume he was an expert in military tactics and strategy. I'll go as far as to say that he studied Stark and Rogers, and all other Avenger's psyche profiles, to calculate the outcome of their decisions when faced with Accords. And no doubt that the Raft, being built prior to Accords, was a known tidbit of info to Zemo from the Widowfiles. I think the only real wild card in his plan was Black Panther. Cause if BP just kills Buck, then what choice does Cap have? I'm not saying redeeming Buck is the only Cap's motivation, but without Buck, the movie would end right there. The only logical stance he could take would be to retire, no? Also, releasing information about Stark's parents death would be pointless.

[dasva]

I for one enjoy spreading stupid articles, so here ya go:
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...r-bucky-barnes

Geez that article is a serious buzzkill. Basically saying any relationship/romance in these things is bad... except maybe if it's gay.

[Andalusian girls]

i mean, it's half right. most of the romances in the MCU are lousy

[dasva]

Oh I agree on most the specific examples they cited... they've definitely forced a lot of shit. But just the concept of it being bad... except when it's shipped the way they want is inane. Also they were really reaching their on the whole Visions actor in enough makeup you can't really tell his age is old therefore Vision/Wanda is creepy

[Tyrath]

I didn't know how stupid and annoying shippers were until I started watching Arrow.

[Iono]

. Also they were really reaching their on the whole Visions actor in enough makeup you can't really tell his age is old therefore Vision/Wanda is creepy

Cuz humans + robots isn't creepy at all....

[Silenka]

Just saw this.

3D: Depending on how well the movie does 3D, I feel it's worth it. But it's really hard to tell which movies will make good use of 3D. I loved the 3D in Age of Ultron and some other Marvel movies...however, Civil War did not have any scenes that made good use of 3D. Rather, the sheer number of extremely fast-paced action scenes made 3D a huge detriment to my viewing experience.

Story:

-Why the hell was there a conveniently placed camera right where Bucky was murdering the Starks? Especially considering how long ago it was (cameras not as widespread) and Bucky is a professional assassin and the location of the murder seemed to be premeditated, it seems to me he would have wanted to eliminate as many potential witnesses as possible.

-I know everyone is saying the movie managed its many moving parts well, and it did, but I can't help thinking that the focus should have been more on the public's view of superheros and the way the world has changed since their rise. We get a snippet of why the Accords are created, when the State Department guy comes in and shows the chaos and destruction that superhumans leave in their wake. And we have Zemo, who is no supervillain but just a normal guy who became obsessed with revenge on superhumans for their collateral taking out his family. But the driving force behind all this becomes lost as the movie adds more and more motivations to each character's actions. By the end, it's not about working for the government vs being vigilantes. It's all about personal revenge. I would have liked the motivations to stick closer to the very difficult question of whether superheros should be regulated by the government or not.

-I liked how the different action sequences had different "weight" to them. The final scene with Stark, Bucky and Cap was heavy, serious and brutal. On the other hand, the airport scene was a lot lighter and full of comedy relief, because at the time the characters were only on different sides of an ideology, but they still would have dropped everything to save each other from serious harm (and did so, when Warmachine began falling).

Characterization:

-Scarlet Witch being such a doormat about her "imprisonment" bugged me. She's more or less okay with hanging around the compound with Vision until Hawkeye breaks in and tells her to stop being a limp noodle. It would have done her character more good if she had come to that decision herself rather than someone else making it for her.

-Spidey and Ant Man were great. Especially Spidey. Though he wasn't really integral to the movie, he really stole the airport scene. I have seen a few people complain that he was annoying, but all I saw was a refreshing take on Spider-Man and his role was very appropriate for the age he was cast as. Plus, he served as a reminder of the new ideals Stark was supposed to be fighting for - namely, being more careful about collateral damage and death - when Stark made sure Spidey was safely out of the fight after he got slightly injured.

-Black Panther was also amazing. Great actor, great suit, great unique fighting style. His decision to let go of his revenge after seeing how it was tearing Cap and Iron Man apart made me love him as a character and I can't wait to see his movie.

-On the other hand, I can't blame Stark for reacting like he did when he saw the video of his parents being murdered. That was fucking rough as hell. No punches pulled.

Overall, it was a great movie. I can't really rank the MCU movies as I sort of see them all as one big movie, so I don't know where this one would fall if I did have an order, but I don't think it would be my favorite. It was a little too long, maybe. But damn did it juggle a lot of different things pretty well, and the fight scenes were more creative and smooth than I think I've ever seen.

[Boyiee]

This post is as close to my opinion as its going to get except I have more anger towards 3d, convenient cameras, and a few other things.

[Zealot]

Two theories -

1) It was just a convenient security camera, or, more likely-

2) The location of the Stark's assassination was chosen by Hydra and they chose to take advantage of an existing camera or put one there themselves to make sure the Winter Soldier carried out his task without a problem.

[Hirronimus]

The camera and the assasination location were intended. You can tell by Buck's glances into camera before and after he kills Stark. More than likely the location was chosen to provide proof for other interested parties. People will say "but he does verbal mission reports", imo those more for the purposes of mental control checks before he is put on ice.

[Eurell]

Yeah, it was just 1 camera too. Not 30 or w/e you said in the other thread lol.

[dasva]

I didn't know how stupid and annoying shippers were until I started watching Arrow.

Do I even want to know?

[Boyiee]

Yeah, it was just 1 camera too. Not 30 or w/e you said in the other thread lol.

There were 3-4 camera angles at minimum. The viewers got to see the entire scene including the choking, did Tony see that too? That's like 30 angles.

[BerenTebogo]

Do I even want to know?

Just go read r/anime about the anime Erased ep10. That'll fix you right up.

[Eurell]

There were 3-4 camera angles at minimum. The viewers got to see the entire scene including the choking, did Tony see that too? That's like 30 angles.

Tony obviously only saw the one stationary black and white angle. Not the close ups with color and audio that the viewers got.

[Kaslo]

Tony obviously only saw the one stationary black and white angle. Not the close ups with color and audio that the viewers got.

Logical thought is hard okay.

[Tyrath]

There were 3-4 camera angles at minimum. The viewers got to see the entire scene including the choking, did Tony see that too? That's like 30 angles.

You're for real?

[ronin sparthos]

More than anything, this makes me want to rewatch First Avenger again. All I recall in that one was that since Cap thawed out he hasn't picked up a gun.

[Boyiee]

You're for real?

There were several camera angles. You're just lying to yourself if you don't believe that, go watch it again. I'll take the "it was a setup" theory that was mentioned earlier but that's a stretch.