May 2016 Version Update - Discussion & Findings

[dasva]

It was literally spamming Soul Drain when we did it. Used it back to back on the BLU and then on me.
Were you fighting it on D/VD?
Maybe it's not as relevant on lower difficulties considering how easy the fight is.

Naw moves are just random. Last VD fight I did thing was spamming the hell out of quadrastrike. Others it's spammed soul drain and most it's some mix of all the moves

dread spikes absorbs the same amount of damage as you deal to it, if you hit for 200 damage it drains 200 back. it's like stoneskin, wears off after a certain amount of damage is done.

it's reducible with mdt or at least it's supposed to but doesn't look like it here. Also ws don't effect so can always get around like that

[Harukasakura]

Since there are no additional rewards in the DATs, and SE mentioned that they had "plans" to rise JP category caps to 30. Maybe thats exactly what the Master BC is. a Genkei Quest. Just a thought

[dasva]

Since there are no additional rewards in the DATs, and SE mentioned that they had "plans" to rise JP category caps to 30. Maybe thats exactly what the Master BC is. a Genkei Quest. Just a thought

They scrapped those plans and went to 20 instead. Given how vocal people were about it when they announced I doubt they would go back now after all this time AND not tell us

[Nyarlko]

Since there are no additional rewards in the DATs, and SE mentioned that they had "plans" to rise JP category caps to 30. Maybe thats exactly what the Master BC is. a Genkei Quest. Just a thought

They scrapped those plans and went to 20 instead. Given how vocal people were about it when they announced I doubt they would go back now after all this time AND not tell us

Also as evidence against that, wouldn't higher JP caps likely come w/ new Gifts? Since there are no changes on that front in-game, I doubt there will be anything other than normal item drops as possible rewards.

Anyone else get the feeling that it will be personal loot and r/ex drops tho? They did call out that there would be a system message if you are unable to receive the rewards. My money is on {Cat's Eye} as a possible drop actually >_> Truly doubt that the cosmetic items would be the only rewards from something like this.

[Sechs]

and SE mentioned that they had "plans" to rise JP category caps to 30.

Nope.
I don't think they ever did at least?
It's us players who knows, thanks to Byrth who analyzed the packets system, that there was "space" for 30 JPs cap.
But after the 2100 move and the Job Master I don't think there has ever been a mention, even a vague one, from SE about raising the cap.
Frankly, I don't think there's anything like that in their plans at least for the near future.

What they could and should do instead is give a purpose to those 500 JPs you can farm after reaching the cap. Giving them a purpose, even a small one, a small motivation for people to keep CPing even on jobs they mastered. Would make the "looking for CP" world more fluid, would keep the interest high and as a result it would be better for everyone who still needs CP to find the necessary roles, I think.

Not sure what they could do about it. Have JPs convert into Pout Pourri, or make so JPs farmed on a certain job can be converted into JPs for another job at a certain ratio, with maybe a weekly maximum (like 50 JPs > JP, or even a worse ratio).
Altough that would be against their paradigm of "you have to be on the job itself to farm its JPs", which was the main difference from Merit Points.


I don't think it's just a Genkai quest. It would've likely been a solo-thing if it were the case, no? And anyway didn't they mention they have plans to add more fights of the same type in the future?



@Nyariko
Cat's Eye might be wishful thinking, but given the difficulty of the fight and the harsh requirements to enter, I at least expect something related to RME. Expensive mats or something like that.

[NynJa]

What mats are so expensive that could warrant coming from that event, considering the cost and difficulty?

ie: Squamas sell for 1m on carby, but 500 merits = 33-50 Merit fights (50 if doing all that cost 10, 33 doing all that cost 15, lets average it to 40). Each merit fight on VD will give you 2 RME loot spots, and an additional 2 per char (not factoring in current event). Presuming 6 chars and pooling all the loot, thats 14 RME loot spots, over 40 fights thats 560 RME item slots. Assuming horrible luck and all you get are single riftborns, at 9k each, is still over 5 mil. Sure, the likelyhood that the master BC drops more than just one Squama is high, and Squama is just one example of many, but I also presumed all singles and all riftborns. Those 560 RME item slots would probably be like 20 boxes (460 singles), 100 parcels (900 singles) and 440 singles, for a total of 1800 singles. Presuming an even distribution between pluton/rift/beit, with an average cost of 11.3k, thats 20.4m.

tl;dr: I dont think "expensive mats" would justify the cost and difficulty.


They COULD drop jinxed/voodoo gear. The ones based off VW sets easily sell for triple digit millions.

[Sechs]

What mats are so expensive that could warrant coming from that event, considering the cost and difficulty?

I was thinking the same. Certainly not Plut/Beit/Rift boxes. Even if 8 dropped in pool and 4-8 in personal loot, it still wouldn't be nowhere as enough to compensate for the difficulty and requirements.
So, under the premise SE even bothered to make something remotely "fair", it's gotta be something else.
Kupon for old level 90 RME? But that sounds too much.
Cat's Eye and similar stuff (10k coin, Plasm Crystal) sound too much as well, and there is no correspective item for Empy weapons.
Maybe Marrows/Mythic item, but again there is no correspondant Empy item so it sounds strange.

I dunno...


Dropping HQ Abj stuff looks adeguate, but I don't think they'd ever want to even remotely hinder the attractiveness of professions after working so hard to make them attractive again.

[Nyarlko]

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@Nyariko
Cat's Eye might be wishful thinking, but given the difficulty of the fight and the harsh requirements to enter, I at least expect something related to RME. Expensive mats or something like that.

The reason I thought of Cat's Eye is because of the probability of r/ex drops, the mobs' connection to ToAU, and the entry requirements. 500 merits is a big number (plus time spent depositing them with the gobbie,) so what else can you think of that might be worth 50x HTB entries? Something like Cat's Eye would probably not have a super high drop rate, but with SE's attitude about Job Master, they could see this event as a simple solution to reduce the time investment to get started on REMs for those who have "proven" themselves already on a given job. I'm thinking 5-10%. They just made all the currencies more accessible via Ambuscade, so I just can't dismiss this idea as wishful thinking at this point. ^^;;

If I am right about this, then I would be absolutely not-surprised if future fights dropped 10k dyna currency, or full sets of aby NM drops... There is also still the proclaimed intention of freeing up the augment slots on REMs for augments, so I would not be surprised in the least if stuff needed for them dropped from these fights later on. They could also change the entry fee to JP instead of merits later on as well, which could bring mastered jobs back to the PUG-pool for CP parties.

[Sechs]

so what else can you think of that might be worth 50x HTB entries?

Nothing, probably.
But that's "players' logic", I don't think SE uses that kind of perspective/logic when deciding/balancing the drops from specific events.
Not saying one is right and the other is wrong either, they're just "different", imho.

Cat's Eye would be cool don't get me wrong, just sounds a bit too good? Glad to be proved wrong of course.

[Nyarlko]

I'll let you know once I find a workable group that I can BST for (since it's my only mastered job) XD

Would be ecstatic if someone else beats me to the punch still :3

[Sechs]

Not sure you're gonna be able to zerg through that with BSTs using Unleash AoE stuff on them, but would be very cool to see someone trying

[Nyarlko]

XD Wasn't intending to BSTzerg it. lol
Could be interesting to try, but I have a feeling that it probably would not go very well tbh.. Fight has 17.9y range and seems they all agro at 20y.. Maybe mixing in PUP/SMN? I just have the feeling that pet jobs are not going to work very well for this many targets >_<;; Pet AI tends to spaz out when there are too many (more than 1) targets on their enmity list so I can just imagine all the cussing involved for a PetParty with 11x AOE'ing targets making everything spin in circles and teleport randomly...

That's not even accounting for the sheer volume of damage that's going to be flying around and limited healing options that have long cooldowns.....

[Modoru]

Wake up and they only mentioned fixing the trust issue and the ambuscade entry, figures. Wonder if they ninja fixed the campaigns...

[Kanriel]

You guys are taking the VD demons too seriously. One WHM, one support, whatever the fuck else x4. Have someone with some extra defense (PLD, BLU, Psion's automaton, etc.) to "tank" the Taurus, then kill the Demon. Smart call would still be DDing the demon to low, though. The Taurus with some defense won't hurt you too much, and goes down quickly, the demon will go down really quickly but Dread Spikes (need light dispel or aura steal) and Soul Drain can and will destroy you. So occasionally you'll have a run with a couple deaths, but they'll get unweak by the time you have new KI's and get back in queue, so no big deal.

[Modoru]

Have someone with some extra defense (PLD, BLU, Psion's automaton, etc.) to "tank" the Taurus, then kill the Demon.

how very specific, lol

[Sechs]

Did anybody found out strat for the Quadav that becomes impervious to all damage at 1%?

[dasva]

So feels like they actually broke trusts. My shantotoo II is missing all the MB and fucking up skillchains. Like not only messing up mine but often wsing in ways that wont even create ones or create lower ones than she definitely can

[Fwahm]

Taurus uses Counterstance when the demon dies, not Hundred Fists. Hundred Fists is just a standard JA he uses at 25-30% or so, regardless if the demon is alive or not.

[NynJa]

Tauri uses HF around 50%, Demon does Blood Weapon around 50%.

When Demon dies, Tauri uses counterstance. When Tauri dies, Demon casts Dread Spikes.

[dasva]

I've always noticed the 2hrs being used lower too like 25%. But it's possible that when only one is left it does it earlier and I've already had the demon decently down