May 2016 Version Update - Discussion & Findings

[NynJa]

I always use the same strategy though:
nuke/MB Tauri down to about 20%, put up a fresh helix on it, switch to Demon and nuke/MB it down, then switch back to Tauri and make sure it doesnt OHKO me with Mow last 5% while Helix chips away at the last 5% at since its MEVA/MBD skyrocket. And by skyrocket, I literally mean skyrocket...~19k tier V MB dips down to 376 with Acumen/Geo-Focus, 350 with Indi-Focus/Geo-Languor

[dasva]

Hmmm well can't say I've ever seen the Taurus use HF anywhere near 50% before. Though last few fights I've been fighting too far too see since my trusts can't tank both at same time anymore

[Helldemon]

You guys are taking the VD demons too seriously. One WHM, one support, whatever the fuck else x4. Have someone with some extra defense (PLD, BLU, Psion's automaton, etc.) to "tank" the Taurus, then kill the Demon. Smart call would still be DDing the demon to low, though. The Taurus with some defense won't hurt you too much, and goes down quickly, the demon will go down really quickly but Dread Spikes (need light dispel or aura steal) and Soul Drain can and will destroy you. So occasionally you'll have a run with a couple deaths, but they'll get unweak by the time you have new KI's and get back in queue, so no big deal.

Up to 7k AoE and 600-800+ reg hits = Won't hurt you too much? Sure...

[Tachi]

Black and White BC :
Alex follows Odin in all its deplacements and actions, they TP move and skillchain together (ex : Gagnrath > Divine Spear = Light), the valk GEO can even finish with a MB. It's possible to freely attack Alex while all the mobs are super tanked.
Valkyries also assists Odin. They can be detached but frequently return to Odin. It wasn't possible fo us to have 1 PLD aggro/super tank the valks while another PLD takes Odin/Alex and when we tried to kill one valk she was often running back to the Odin's target.

Alex seems to have roughly 1m HP, low evasion, my avatar was at 80%~ acc with 1239 acc (w/o Torpor). Ranged Attacks were rather poor (120~150 dmg RAs, 1,2k JR... was with Bolster Idris Frailty+Dia II).
Helmwige seems to have roughly 300~350k HP, high evasion, NIN was at 30%~ acc with 1380 acc (Idris Precision+Torpor), -ra III spells went up to 2,5~3k dmg on melees but they could survive with EA or Migawari (not the multi-hit WSs however). Silence got resisted with Idris Focus+Languor but tried only once.
Odin got 2 new attacks (could check with POLUtils) : Zantetsuken Jin and Shin Zantetsuken.

[Lolwutt]

Gaes Fete campaign seems to be bugged(unless intentional, but I wouldn't think so).

Was farming some stuff in reisenjima and invited a friend after popping the NM so that a ra/ex could drop(I had on every character in alliance). He still received a free gear drop from the kill, despite sitting at the entrance with no lens and not having participated.

[Mojo]

Gaes Fete campaign seems to be bugged(unless intentional, but I wouldn't think so).

Was farming some stuff in reisenjima and invited a friend after popping the NM so that a ra/ex could drop(I had on every character in alliance). He still received a free gear drop from the kill, despite sitting at the entrance with no lens and not having participated.

That happened last time too.

[Mojo]

I always use the same strategy though:
nuke/MB Tauri down to about 20%, put up a fresh helix on it, switch to Demon and nuke/MB it down, then switch back to Tauri and make sure it doesnt OHKO me with Mow last 5% while Helix chips away at the last 5% at since its MEVA/MBD skyrocket. And by skyrocket, I literally mean skyrocket...~19k tier V MB dips down to 376 with Acumen/Geo-Focus, 350 with Indi-Focus/Geo-Languor

We do something similar.

BLM BLM GEO SCH PLD + any other job you want

PLD gets hate on both
BoG/Ecliptic Malaise + Languor
Firaja > Fire VI + Helix II magic burst on the big one
Free nuke small one down to below 20%
T4 > Firaja magic burst on the big one again, usually killing both at the same time

We did melee but with 3 of us dual boxing it's actually really annoying

[Kanriel]

Up to 7k AoE and 600-800+ reg hits = Won't hurt you too much? Sure...

I have never seen this happen. Are you killing the demon first to get that? Or are you using berserked monks or something so you have no defense? I'm over 11k hallmarks so far running VD demons the whole time and the only deaths have been from Doom that couldn't get removed, Soul Drain (after Taurus died) or Dread Spikes.

[Helldemon]

I have never seen this happen. Are you killing the demon first to get that? Or are you using berserked monks or something so you have no defense? I'm over 11k hallmarks so far running VD demons the whole time and the only deaths have been from Doom that couldn't get removed, Soul Drain (after Taurus died) or Dread Spikes.

Maybe I misread but you said to have someone tank the tauru's and have the other's kill the demon. You say afterwards that it would be smart to DD the demon to low hp but the way you word it sounds like keeping the demon alive is optional at least to me.

[maddog]

Up to 7k AoE and 600-800+ reg hits = Won't hurt you too much? Sure...

You guys are taking the VD demons too seriously. One WHM, one support, whatever the fuck else x4. Have someone with some extra defense (PLD, BLU, Psion's automaton, etc.) to "tank" the Taurus, then kill the Demon. Smart call would still be DDing the demon to low, though. The Taurus with some defense won't hurt you too much, and goes down quickly, the demon will go down really quickly but Dread Spikes (need light dispel or aura steal) and Soul Drain can and will destroy you. So occasionally you'll have a run with a couple deaths, but they'll get unweak by the time you have new KI's and get back in queue, so no big deal.

pld back tanks taurus blow all your hate abilities and wont move, buff with geo cor, 2 blu dd's use barrier tusk, mow only does like 600 max, whm curaga 3. destroy taurus in 90 seconds, demon dies in 20. if it casts spikes use blu spells. done this about 30 times in a row without fail.

[Kanriel]

Maybe I misread but you said to have someone tank the tauru's and have the other's kill the demon. You say afterwards that it would be smart to DD the demon to low hp but the way you word it sounds like keeping the demon alive is optional at least to me.

Yeah, re-reading what I said and I didn't type it correctly. Always kill Taurus first, if you kill it and two DD have TP you can even kill it with two WS with spikes up (since IIRC spikes only proc on normal melee attacks). I'm on THF so I steal the spikes, though he gets other buffs up sometimes from his absorb-attribute spell and I get one of those instead of spikes.

[Sechs]

Black and White BC :
Alex follows Odin in all its deplacements and actions, they TP move and skillchain together (ex : Gagnrath > Divine Spear = Light), the valk GEO can even finish with a MB. It's possible to freely attack Alex while all the mobs are super tanked.
Valkyries also assists Odin. They can be detached but frequently return to Odin. It wasn't possible fo us to have 1 PLD aggro/super tank the valks while another PLD takes Odin/Alex and when we tried to kill one valk she was often running back to the Odin's target.

Alex seems to have roughly 1m HP, low evasion, my avatar was at 80%~ acc with 1239 acc (w/o Torpor). Ranged Attacks were rather poor (120~150 dmg RAs, 1,2k JR... was with Bolster Idris Frailty+Dia II).
Helmwige seems to have roughly 300~350k HP, high evasion, NIN was at 30%~ acc with 1380 acc (Idris Precision+Torpor), -ra III spells went up to 2,5~3k dmg on melees but they could survive with EA or Migawari (not the multi-hit WSs however). Silence got resisted with Idris Focus+Languor but tried only once.
Odin got 2 new attacks (could check with POLUtils) : Zantetsuken Jin and Shin Zantetsuken.

This sounds... interesting.
Like banging on a brick wall lol

[Karizo]

This sounds... interesting.
Like banging on a brick wall lol

that's not a true. a brick wall doesn't hit back.

on the note of VD Regular Ambuscade, been using the same setup as the dragon.

PLD WHM DDx2 GEO COR

PLD will "attempt" to hold enmity on both mobs, one DD takes demon down to the range of 1 WS to kill, other DD focuses on taurus.

Kill taurus first, then demon with 1 last WS. We first used vex torpor, then realized vex isn't doing a whole lot and switched to haste torpor instead (we had DRG WAR for DD).

Pretty sure DDs can be just about anything, accuracy requirement isn't all that different from the dragon one.

[Tachi]

Learned many things on our last Odin/Alex attempt :
Odin/Alex/valks have very little regain, it was very easy to constantly reset their TP with 1 SMN, I even think 1 or 2 /smn could do it np. Not having to deal with all these TP moves and WSs make the fight 100 times easier to handle, we could survive the whole 60 min easily (or almost, we wiped after 51 min on a little mistake)
If only Odin is claimed, the valks will go passive for a brief moment after each Mewing Lullaby then automatically go attack Odin's target. This make things even more easier actually since valks are not acting 1/3 of the time.
It's impossible to detach a valk from Odin for a prolonged period.
Dark based sleeps works on valks!
Odin has a very high evasion like the valks and a massive auto-regen effect, it regen back to 100% instantly after a 5k BP. Dread Spikes (the only spell it cast) doesn't give it the regen.
We got down Alex to 89% then...

Was back to 100%, got it down to 89% once again and it did it again.
My conclusion is that the valks must be killed in order to suppress/weaken the auto-regen and/or Gospel of the Lost.

[Mojo]

Learned many things on our last Odin/Alex attempt :
Odin/Alex/valks have very little regain, it was very easy to constantly reset their TP with 1 SMN, I even think 1 or 2 /smn could do it np. Not having to deal with all these TP moves and WSs make the fight 100 times easier to handle, we could survive the whole 60 min easily (or almost, we wiped after 51 min on a little mistake)
If only Odin is claimed, the valks will go passive for a brief moment after each Mewing Lullaby then automatically go attack Odin's target. This make things even more easier actually since valks are not acting 1/3 of the time.
It's impossible to detach a valk from Odin for a prolonged period.
Dark based sleeps works on valks!
Odin has a very high evasion like the valks and a massive auto-regen effect, it regen back to 100% instantly after a 5k BP. Dread Spikes (the only spell it cast) doesn't give it the regen.
We got down Alex to 89% then...

Was back to 100%, got it down to 89% once again and it did it again.
My conclusion is that the valks must be killed in order to suppress/weaken the auto-regen and/or Gospel of the Lost.

Thanks for the info. Perhaps Dispel will also work on them too (would be great if you are trying to use magic damage.) I have been able to land Aspir, and we have some weak evidence of Death possibly working. We are going to try this next attempt.

[Tachi]

Dark based dispels works on the valks yes, I could land Lunar Roar. I could also land Pavor Nocturnurs on Odin but this dispel is a bit special.
I hope Death will give good results, I think the total of dmg to do is close to 5m.

[Byrthnoth]

Were Odin and the calls near Alex when it used gospel of the lost? Would be amusing if the key to the fight was to feed Alex TP and use his self healing move to MPK his undead allies.

[Fwahm]

If aspir works, then they're not undead, similar to dynamis fomors.

[Tachi]

Alex doesn't need TP for Gospel of the Lost, it was automatically used at 89%. They were close yes and it hit only Alex, I would have loved the idea though.
I think I'll keep insisting a bit more with Alex, who knows, maybe something will change/happen if it reach 89% multiple times... Also I don't understand why Alex's evasion is so low (or why Odin/valks's eva are so high but this is less surprising)
Sadly I really think the valks must be defeated first now.

[Modoru]

It might be similar to FFXIV's mog battle. Gotta kill the adds to kill the big b0ss.

There's 9 valks - so presume each valk drops, say, 10% eva/defense or what have you on odin or alex respectively -- or similarly reduces Alex's healing capabilities or Odin's firepower.

Just a theory. But you never know!