Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub in Orlando

[Drai]

It's not so much the fact we have guns, it's that we are so obsessed with using them to solve problems.

So it's not so much the guns themselves, but the way people view the guns? Like, people see it as an easy option instead of a last resort?

[thetruepandagod]

I honestly don't think this is really a gun related issue, we have a lot of guns, and people with guns up here in Canada

Apparently canadians are just a weird bunch, walking to college campuses with guns and not shooting anything.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle30415352/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...rson-1.3632562

[Ksandra]

So it's not so much the guns themselves, but the way people view the guns? Like, people see it as an easy option instead of a last resort?

Absolutely. You even see it in our police culture. Many don't just think they have a right to guns, they think they have a right to use those guns in any way these see fit.

[Drai]

Apparently canadians are just a weird bunch, walking to college campuses with guns and not shooting anything.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle30415352/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...rson-1.3632562

I think that was an officer dressed in civis patrolling and was a misunderstanding, rest assured everyone involved has or will have apologized profusely :D

[Talint]

I guess it was a Latino club or something?

It was Latin Night.

[Melena]

People seem to be really blowing the "under investigation by the FBI" thing out of proportion. From what I've read, he was interviewed twice after people voiced concerns, but the feds couldn't prove anything and closed the investigation. Not that it would do much since the NRA feels that owning a gun is more of a right then to board a plane as they have been blocking bills that would keep anyone on the no fly list from being able to legally purchase a gun.

I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but the NRA can eat a buffet of dicks.

[Krandor]

I agree that the NRA goes too far with alot of their shit, but even with increased regulations and restrictions this guy's employment would have still given him incredibly easy access to guns.

Even if we went with the magical liberal fantasy land of almost entirely removing guns for civilians, this guy would very likely still have had access given his status as a fully licensed security officer for G4S.

[Salodin]

I agree that the NRA goes too far with alot of their shit, but even with increased regulations and restrictions this guy's employment would have still given him incredibly easy access to guns.

Even if we went with the magical liberal fantasy land of almost entirely removing guns for civilians, this guy would very likely still have had access given his status as a fully licensed security officer for G4S.

I concur. Yes we need more gun control, but that's a red herring for the real problem which is radical Islam.

[Dimmauk]

I'd rather ban religion vs banning guns.

[notorious bum]

The terrorist organization that Omar Mateen was linked to attacked the Orlando solidarity march.

https://twitter.com/KeeganNYC/status/742324088002236416

[Fondue]

How edgy of you bum :^)

[Byrthnoth]

Super liberal fantasyland probably doesn't have security guards with AR15s. The police in some countries don't even carry handguns.

[notorious bum]

How edgy of you bum :^)

Gotta keep the spectrum broad in here, can't let the "radical islam" do-nothing war hawks have all the fun.

[Marootsoobutsu]

Yeah, I don't know why Obama doesn't just end hatred in America.

It might actually be easier to do than getting rid of guns.

[Marootsoobutsu]

The terrorist organization that Omar Mateen was linked to attacked the Orlando solidarity march.

https://twitter.com/KeeganNYC/status/742324088002236416

Orlando PD. Terrorist organization. Holy crap you're demented.

[notorious bum]

I know the media has censored his undying love for cops, pics of him repping the crookedest of them all, NYPD, but it does say NYC in the link.

[archibaldcrane]

Gotta keep the spectrum broad in here, can't let the "radical islam" do-nothing war hawks have all the fun.

I for one enjoyed it.

[Krandor]

Super liberal fantasyland probably doesn't have security guards with AR15s.

It depends on his exact role with the company, but he was likely more then just a "security guard" Edit : NVM I take this back, apparently he was a security guard for a retirement community.

The police in some countries don't even carry handguns.

They don't carry guns on patrol, doesn't mean they don't have access to them.

[Ksandra]

Got into it with a friend on FB (and his friends) who said we were a country of pussies because people aren't attacking ISIS over this. I tried to point out that killing ISIS in the Middle East wouldn't have stopped this particular incident. I kept trying to bring up the LA guy and how he doesn't have ISIS connections. If the Orlando guy got caught, and the LA guy didn't, what would the conversations today look like?

Do not get me wrong, I pointed out in there that I do understand that radicalization is an easy justification for people to perform these acts. But they wildly wanted to ignore the homophobic aspect to the events and that the mentality is not even remotely limited to radical Islamists.

[jacobs67]

I concur. Yes we need more gun control, but that's a red herring for the real problem which is radical Islam.

And what happens when a gun-toting bible thumper decides to shoot up a gay club to get rid of more sinning gays? Does Christianity become the problem? Can we ban Christianity plz