Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub in Orlando

[archibaldcrane]

You are acting like potential firearms restrictions on themselves are, or should be, on the minds of people in the LGBT community who are grieving over this massacre and looking for ways to prevent the next one.

I'm mocking you for that.

[Karbuncle]

You are acting like potential firearms restrictions on themselves are, or should be, on the minds of people in the LGBT community who are grieving over this massacre and looking for ways to prevent the next one.

I'm mocking you for that.

No I'm not. I'm responding to, with an inquiry originally, only a full on explanation after your post,(Not even trying to criticize them, that would be heartless) someone simply implying firearm discussions are for Cisgendered men, and I said thats not true, it will effect everyone if anything comes of it. I didn't once say they needed or should both participate or put the discussion of firearm laws that is currently going on before grieving or looking out for each other during what appears to be an attack on the LGBTQ community by these extremist and/or Homophobic monsters.

I even mentioned I agree with their sentiments on it devolving into armchair politics. It was never about whats more important or what should be taken above the others.

Hopefully thats cleared the confusion for you on my intent, but if you feel the need to keep trolling people you've misunderstood the intent of, feel free.

[archibaldcrane]

I think the point was already very clearly made, I'm not going to keep trying to get you to understand it.

If you want me to keep mocking you though I can do that.

(and again, nobody said anything about white other than you, again)

[Karbuncle]

Seems to me like you're simply being stubborn at this point for what I can see is no good reason. I've clarified my point and you continue to troll. Sorry you feel that way.

[Dotsudoku]

For what it's worth, I have no idea what your point is. You may want to elaborate, or at least directly quote what part of what post you're responding to

[archibaldcrane]

He's saying that guns rights restrictions affect gay people's right to own guns too.

He still hasn't figured out the point of Yuri-G's statement, which was blindingly obvious.

[Krandor]

Yeah you might to rethink whatever you're trying to say Karbuncle, I'm definitely also in the camp of having no idea what you're aiming for.

[Karbuncle]

For what it's worth, I have no idea what your point is. You may want to elaborate, or at least directly quote what part of what post you're responding to

Sure, but honestly its irrelevant at this point as I must have missed the context of the original post and have just gone back to reread it. But the original post was by Yuri-G, mentioning that this thread has devolved into talking about the rights of straight cisgendered men needing to be protected (which I assumed they were talking about how this has divolved into another political gun-talk thread). I was asking what they meant as if any gun laws were passed in light of this event, it would effect every person, not just cisgendered men.

Archi thought I was saying "The LGBTQ community should care more about the gun laws than the deaths" and thats where he began trolling me, to which I clarified my intent on two posts ago. The original quote i was responding too was this >

I'm just saying, 49 gay men and women were slaughtered because of - at least in part - their sexuality... and here we are less than a week later talking about how the rights of straight cisgendered men need to be protected.

But to thoroughly clarify in the simplest possible terms.

>Honoring the deaths of these people/protecting upcoming LGBT events >>>>>> Gun law Debate.
>Armchair politics are stupid and I'm as disappointed as anyone that these types of events always lead straight to gun law discussions.
>Laws affect everyone.

[archibaldcrane]

nevermind, i'll let it die.

[Melena]

If i'm reading Yuri's comment right, he's basically saying only straight men use guns and are the ones fighting gun restrictions, whereas Karbuncle is countering that LGBT people own guns and would be affected by any gun restrictions.

[archibaldcrane]

If i'm reading Yuri's comment right

you aren't

[Greatguardian]

My understanding was that Yuri was upset that Archi's misunderstanding of current law led to people arguing about straight cis men's rights in domestic violence cases in the middle of a thread about a hate crime committed against the LGBTQ community.

[Karbuncle]

Why would you point out that gun laws would affect gays too if you didn't think that's something that a grieving member of the LGBTQ community should be considering right now?

I can't say i have an answer for this because "Put gun laws before grieving" was never on my radar when I made the original post. I'm sorry thats what you took from it but I don't know how much more clear I can be when I say that was never what I wanted to get across.

My understanding was that Yuri was upset that Archi's misunderstanding of current law led to people arguing about straight cis men's rights in domestic violence cases in the middle of an LGBTQ thread.

Thank you, this must have been what I missed, I checked the thread often for new information, most of which I get from the radio... but it was mostly about gun law politics so this is the context I missed and what completely clarifies the original quote. So hopefully Yuri, I can at least say now that the confusion has been cleared by GG here, I understand your statement, and agree with it. (this is why I put the following sentence in my first post hoping that if I did miss something, someone would clarify it, thank you for doing that instead of trolling).

And of course the 100% possibility I missed a topic of conversation between the Incident reports and the gun law debate and now and you were talking about that...

[archibaldcrane]

Arguing for the rights of straight cisgendered men is pretty much all I do on BG - it's kind of my thing

or the exact opposite

[Yuri-G]

My understanding was that Yuri was upset that Archi's misunderstanding of current law led to people arguing about straight cis men's rights in domestic violence cases in the middle of a thread about a hate crime committed against the LGBTQ community.

bingo. thank you, you got it.

[tyven]

Senator Tim Kaine is out here fucking crushing it on the Senate floor

CSPAN 2 is very good television right now during the OJ Simpson Made in America commercial breaks

[vagus]

I'm a Canadian. If I travel to Washington state. If I got an ID that looks like me. Could I get a gun? Is it really that easy?

[Rooney]

Out of country ID? Doubtful (maybe illegal? idk) If you were a US citizen, then yes it really is that easy to get a gun.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

I'm a Canadian. If I travel to Washington state. If I got an ID that looks like me. Could I get a gun? Is it really that easy?

No.

If it worked like that then I would've driven up to Canada and bought myself a SVT-40 for 400 Syrup Dollars instead of the 3k USD pricetag because of import restrictions.

[Ksandra]

No.

If it worked like that then I would've driven up to Canada and bought myself a SVT-40 for 400 Syrup Dollars instead of the 3k USD pricetag because of import restrictions.

Importing and buying are two different things. (I have no idea what the law is regarding his question, just that you didn't really answer it.)