Brexit: Unions are for Pussies

[thetruepandagod]

trendin atm, also hilarious.

Spoiler: show

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_fb

[Zetanio]

[Galkaeater]

Exactly, they ARE right in a lot of their criticism. Leaving was wrong, but the EU need to reform. Although I suppose just threatening to do it and then not do it would be an empty threat leading to no real change. Sadly, Brittain leaving means Sweden lost pretty much its only ally as they were the only country to agree with us on almost everything. At least this might finally cause a reform.

A lot of people seem to have a skewed view of the EU though. I was watching Judge Jeanine Pirro talking about how the EU immigration problem is because of EU's open border policy, is this something most people believe to be accurate? Because it's horribly misleading and wrong, although I wouldn't be surprised if this is something the Brexit people believe to be accurate.

Edit: In other news, since the Brexit vote, Sweden has received a 645% increase in Britons applying for Swedish citizenship.

Britain aswell as Ireland are not part of the Schengen Area due to being islands so the EUs open border didn't directly effect brexit, although the migrant crisis which caused several countries to reastablish border controls did help to tarnish the EUs reputation. It also showed a weakness in sharing an openborder with another country in that you essentially out source your border controls, which is fine if all the countries on the outer border of the Schengen Area control their borders, but they didn't so the judge has a point.

[Wulfgang]

I've been on a half dozen research calls with various U.S. financial institutions on this over the past few days. Long-term impact from outsiders is not nearly as bearish as it seemed in the 24 hours immediately following the vote. Short term fixed income and forex markets are a mess along with the standard equity market volatility following any major global event, and there's a moderate reduction in 2017 and 2018 GDP forecasts for the UK, but not terrible overall. Worst case scenarios actually hinge more on fringe EU nations with their own issues possibly being exacerbated more than the UK or core Eurozone nations. The "domino" effect was discussed and is entirely conjecture, but they don't see it happening; the countries who ideologically would be most likely to withdraw generally do not have the economic heft to go it alone at this point. Lastly, the #1 question in each Q&A session was effectively "Can this be reversed? Can they do a re-vote? What are the mechanics associated with this?" Unlikely in the short term and wouldn't bet on it right now, but the UK Finance Minister is on record saying he does not want to effectuate A50 without post-exit trade agreements in place with the UK-less EU; that would take years to complete. If the actual exit is delayed, the possibility of a new PM pushing a revote in another general referendum becomes plausible. Merkel is supporting the slow and steady approach after some initial vitriol from other EU member nations, so we'll see.

Paraphrasing notes from external parties, not my opinions nor stating them to be fact. I'd like to see them take their time on this; there are very few pros to pushing forward quickly as I see it.

[Zetanio]

If the actual A50 is staggered for 3-6 months possibly a year, it'll drastically change the market impact.

Apparently equities agree, it's a rally day.

[arus2001]

Am I naive to think this could be the start of a developing democratic world nation that brings multiple nations together to vote on a single leader?

We're probably a few hundred years away from a Star Trek style world government. Presuming we don't kill ourselves and/or the Earth before then. And those more aware of that brand of fiction also knows it carries socialist leanings, which is obviously super dirty in today's capitalist climate. But among the issues we'll have to tackle along the way is the relationship between employment, population, and technology. Education should more ideally handle matters related to culture and racism, but the real pie in the sky dream is for religion to not be so ingrained in, well, everything.

[Zetanio]

Yeah. Religion never really fucks off unless the average intelligence level jumps a substantially amount.

[Vandalhart]

I think it'd be a huge improvement if people would just worry about their own beliefs and not force others to adapt to what they want. That can be said about ideologies as a whole though.

[BerenTebogo]

We're probably a few hundred years away from a Star Trek style world government. Presuming we don't kill ourselves and/or the Earth before then. And those more aware of that brand of fiction also knows it carries socialist leanings, which is obviously super dirty in today's capitalist climate. But among the issues we'll have to tackle along the way is the relationship between employment, population, and technology. Education should more ideally handle matters related to culture and racism, but the real pie in the sky dream is for religion to not be so ingrained in, well, everything.

Current asteroids dropped on the World Federation: 0

Only problem I see.

[Zetanio]

Current asteroids dropped on the World Federation: 0

Only problem I see.

Sup.

How'd the move go?

[dasva]

We're probably a few hundred years away from a Star Trek style world government. Presuming we don't kill ourselves and/or the Earth before then. And those more aware of that brand of fiction also knows it carries socialist leanings, which is obviously super dirty in today's capitalist climate. But among the issues we'll have to tackle along the way is the relationship between employment, population, and technology. Education should more ideally handle matters related to culture and racism, but the real pie in the sky dream is for religion to not be so ingrained in, well, everything.

I wouldn't really call it socialist really. More like the natural progression when there is such an abundance of resources and non human labor that any concept of economy loses meaning as everyone ends up having all they could want without hardly anyone having to work... but magically everyone still wants to. And of course it helps we still other races outside of earth to compete/hate

[arus2001]

Well, we don't see everyone in that world, but "work" would generally be about seeking self-fulfillment than solely for survival. I have no doubt there'd be do-nothing holodeck addicts. Heck, I'd probably be one of them.

[BerenTebogo]

Sup.

How'd the move go?

Pretty well. Expensive. Still haven't unpacked all boxes but I'm already wanting to leave at 3:15 on second day of work. Got like zero sleep last night. Also have a case of the "no shits 4 u" from all the travel.

[dasva]

Well, we don't see everyone in that world, but "work" would generally be about seeking self-fulfillment than solely for survival. I have no doubt there'd be do-nothing holodeck addicts. Heck, I'd probably be one of them.

Actually I think there was an episode of tng that had something to do with holoadiction. But more meant there was an excess of people actually wanting to work compared to what was actually needed probably unrealistically so. That and having more than enough resources and a little handwaving and everything just kind of works out

[Zetanio]

Pretty well. Expensive. Still haven't unpacked all boxes but I'm already wanting to leave at 3:15 on second day of work. Got like zero sleep last night. Also have a case of the "no shits 4 u" from all the travel.

Good to hear you made it. You missed some terrible posting while you were gone. Nothing of value.

[Cjskater]

trendin atm, also hilarious.

Spoiler: show

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_fb

Didn't see it in the article:

[archibaldcrane]

Boris Johnson, likely future Prime Minister, just had his sex tape uploaded on PornHub. http://mashable.com/2016/06/28/boris...k#PXwQdd3CTEqU

[Uzor]

Britain aswell as Ireland are not part of the Schengen Area due to being islands so the EUs open border didn't directly effect brexit, although the migrant crisis which caused several countries to reastablish border controls did help to tarnish the EUs reputation. It also showed a weakness in sharing an openborder with another country in that you essentially out source your border controls, which is fine if all the countries on the outer border of the Schengen Area control their borders, but they didn't so the judge has a point.

UK has no right to complain about immigration numbers, they receive FAR below the average. They have 60 asylum applicants per 100k local population, compared to EU average of 260. In comparison, Sweden is at 1667 per 100k. For a country that prides itself on its economic prowess, it sure seem poor when its population claims they can't afford more.

Immigration really is not as bad or as expensive as the Brexit people make it seem, as you essentially skip the most expensive part of a humans life, being birth to adulthood. Yes, you are limited by the number if people you can accept per year, but as long as they are integrated in to society properly, they're a huge asset.

How much does a child cost from inception to their 18th birthday? How much does it cost to support a refugee for 2 to 3 years?

[archibaldcrane]

I think UK immigration concerns were more about eastern Europeans than middle-easterners.

[Karbuncle]

I wouldn't really call it socialist really. More like the natural progression when there is such an abundance of resources and non human labor that any concept of economy loses meaning as everyone ends up having all they could want without hardly anyone having to work... but magically everyone still wants to. And of course it helps we still other races outside of earth to compete/hate

I've always figured that the burden of "I'm here because if I wasn't I'd be homeless and/or dead" being lifted would make work feel a lot less like work depending on your field. At that point it'd be a hobby... But I'm weird, and i know people who are retired that tell me it was so boring sometimes they went back to work, and its better because they know they dont need to be there and can quit any time and still be set... its just a time passer.