Brexit: Unions are for Pussies

[Niiro]

Wish I knew how to photoshop, that could have been a real joke.

[Sephiroth]

I think it's a good strategy. Plan ahead for no deal and wait for the EU to come back to the negotiating table with a better deal. This is where May failed. If you aren't willing to walk away they walk all over you, which is why May was given such a bad deal. People need to shut up about no deal as this effort by Boris is the only way the EU will negotiate. The EU like to leave things late so I wouldn't expect any movement before October.

Admittedly, it's a risky strategy but if opposition parties really didn't want a no deal Brexit then they would have voted for the bad deal. They decided not having a deal was better than having May's deal and according to the EU's current stance that's the only deal on offer. This is why we now have a government full of leavers. Too little too late in my opinion - if we had Boris from the start instead of May we'd be out with a good deal by now.

I don't actually believe Boris can force through a no deal Brexit, he has a majority of 1 and will be taken down in a vote of no confidence if he tries, but making the EU believe he is serious and can/will leave without a deal will work out in the end if he's left to it. Problem is he won't be left to it. What I think is more likely to happen is that hardcore remainers panic about this strategy and force Boris out in September before the EU decides to renegotiate. This will create a general election where the Conservatives and Brexit Party team up in a coalition vs a Labour/SNP/Lib Dem coalition where they don't field candidates against each other - tactical voting. It's going to be messy and I can see Boris winning and putting Nigel Farage in his cabinet. It will happen. We have areas where I live that have been Labour strongholds since forever but voted for leave, and a lot of people don't like Corbyn and will never vote for him. Brexit Party stand a good chance in these seats. Unless Corbyn resigns before any election he doesn't stand a chance.

The bottom line is - the more hardcore remainers attempt to block Brexit - the worse it's going to get for them.

[Gryffes]

I think it's a good strategy. Plan ahead for no deal and wait for the EU to come back to the negotiating table with a better deal. This is where May failed. If you aren't willing to walk away they walk all over you

1. What specifically was bad about Mays deal? Top 3 points please.
2. The UK is around 10% of germanys export market, 5-15% in other european countries, conversely the EU is 45% of the UKs export market. How can you bluff when your cards are face up and you're holding JJ but your opponent has AA? If we go all in I might hit a 2 outer?!!?!?!?! YOU BETTER FOLD BRO!

[Salodin]

I think it's a good strategy. Plan ahead for no deal and wait for the EU to come back to the negotiating table with a better deal.

Your entire plan fell apart after the second sentence. There is ZERO reason for the EU to come back to the table if the UK cant give them a better deal. The UK is hurt more by leaving than the EU is, and the EU has zero incentive to make it easy for the UK to leave otherwise everyone else will leave as well.

My question is, are you willing to admit you were wrong come hard exit time when the EU laughs at the UK and says take this shitty deal or peace out?

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[Gryffes]

Also funnily enough, if we leave without a deal - our economy tanks and then we're in a worse position and they have more leverage. It's completely ridiculous.

[Salodin]

My only regret is these ignoramuses will never post in this thread again come hard exit time when no deal is in place and the economy starts to adjust downward even more.

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[Karbuncle]

I can't and don't speak for everyone, but at least those in the groups I keep up with, those who supported and still support Brexit, know that in the short term, even for a few years things will most likely be for the worse with a No-Deal exit while the UK "relearns" to self govern without the EU as well as build bridges with the new trade deals and attempt to stabilize their economy... we don't expect it to be as catastrophically bad as the doomsayers keep spewing, but its to be expected with an uncertain market that things will trend down until stability can happen. They're looking long term and they're looking at the benefit of being able to govern yourself rather than being a small voice with no real pull in the larger EU.

But if its that important to you, come 5 years from Brexit if the UK is still NOT in the EU and is a desolate shit hole with a crashed economy because things never stabilized, I promise I'll come back and apologize for being wrong.

[Fiye]

There's a fucking reason why they haven't just forced a no deal brexit for over 3 fucking years after the initial vote.

I don't know how many times your retarded ass needs to get dunked on by most sectors of BG when even you yourself have admitted you're on the wrong side of the topic.

[Salodin]

Damn self owning so that a decade later you can start to see positive gains even though those gains are still smaller than if you stayed in the union 10 years prior haha

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[kuronosan]

Pretty sure the people in the Great Depression also thought it wouldn't be so bad.

What in the actual fuck dude.

[Spicyryan]

Brexit with a deal at this point is like Mexico paying for the wall.

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[Infini]

I can't and don't speak for everyone, but at least those in the groups I keep up with, those who supported and still support Brexit, know that in the short term, even for a few years things will most likely be for the worse with a No-Deal exit while the UK "relearns" to self govern without the EU as well as build bridges with the new trade deals and attempt to stabilize their economy... we don't expect it to be as catastrophically bad as the doomsayers keep spewing, but its to be expected with an uncertain market that things will trend down until stability can happen. They're looking long term and they're looking at the benefit of being able to govern yourself rather than being a small voice with no real pull in the larger EU.

But if its that important to you, come 5 years from Brexit if the UK is still NOT in the EU and is a desolate shit hole with a crashed economy because things never stabilized, I promise I'll come back and apologize for being wrong.

Dude seriously I'm in Ireland and the amount of needless shit thats going to be caused these idiots crashing out of the EU because they're too dense and their goverment is run by ideological tools is going to be off the deep end in modern times. We got NI essentially going to suffer an economic meltdown because the border is essentially turned into an External EU border, were already seeing 93p to the €1 which was last seen in 08 during the crash. Food prices will jump in the UK both from a double whammy of currency devaluation and tariffs. Its going to wreck trade lines all over the place as even Farmers here are suffering from beef prices dropping due to the reduction in sterlings value.

What too many of those in the UK are failing to realise is that a hard brexit is essentially dozens upon dozens of trade agreements being terminated all at once. They become a 3rd party state to the EU. Hell the shock could be severe enough that by the end of 2029 there wont be a UK but a United Ireland and Replublic of Scotland (both areas voted remain) both within the EU with a rump state of England and Wales.

[Fiye]

Cooooooool

[Salodin]

Says the guy who wouldnt have to fight it lol

I'm starting to think Gundam Wing got it right. No one appreciates peace because no one has to fight their own wars. If people understood those horrors they'd throw their guns away and try a little harder to get along with each other

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[Fiye]

BoJo is gonna start an effort to expand policy stop and search powers and expand prisons to combat knife crimes because we all love a police state amirite?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-search-powers

[guartz]

Damn self owning so that a decade later you can start to see positive gains even though those gains are still smaller than if you stayed in the union 10 years prior haha

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Yes why leave such a glorious economy where low interest rates and low growth have become a norm?

tbh I expected this poor world awareness from people who oppose brexit.

[Zealot]

I was on the fence but if guartz says it's a good idea, then I am definitely 100% anti-Brexit.

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[guartz]

My 7 year old says shit like that when he gets angry.

[Athas]

Clearly he has wisdom beyond his years.

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[guartz]

Yes never underestimate the butthurt of entitled children.