Istanbul air traffic control hit by suicide bombers

[Thunder]

how does a state declare war on non-state actors? how does it prosecute that war?

this is why we've had the goatfuck we've had since 2001.

genocide?

[GoggleHead]

Gonna go out on a limb here and say history already explored this question before and the answer they came up with was "The Crusades".

[Gokku]

Minus the massive expenditures required, would a theoretical solution be to give an relatively large land area over to them. Then provide travel to the area one way free let them build thier own social structures but cut them off completely from the rest of the world? Turn it into North Korea except no trade etc period? If the rest of the world walked away that is.

[Zetanio]

Give it to who?

ISIS?
The Kurds?
Al Qaeda?
Iraq?

[Niiro]

It's almost as if interfering with extremely complicated centuries-old conflicts and declaring arbitrary winners has the potential to backfire and create more enemies than friends.

[Dotsudoku]

pretty sure one of ISIS's expressed purposes is to build an Islamic world. Seclusion wouldn't help much

[Andalusian girls]

I'm gonna need some numbers to back up such a spectacular claim. The only way this seems reasonable is if you really are looking at a complete global average, which is utterly meaningless. I only care about first world nations, and in particular the US.

According to a quick google, as I thought, people getting killed was pretty damn low 50 years ago. It trended upwards for a few decades, and then back down. You could say we're "nearly as safe" as we were 50 years ago, but that's about as far as you can go. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html

well 40 years ago the homicide rate for civilians was 8.8 compared to today's 4.5 making it nearly twice as deadly, 50 years ago it was 5.6 which is still rather 20% more deadly. you'd need to go back a bit further. less pedantically, your attempt to link an aggregate decrease in the safety of civilians to terrorist activity, even if only in the United States, does not carry water as in this nation we have something like 16,000 homicides a year and, with the notable exception of the September 11th attacks, our worst years see something between 10-50 of those stemming from terrorist activity, which comes to between 0.06%-0.3%, a figure well below the average annual variance. in other and fewer words, 2001 is the only year in which terrorism had a statistically significant impact on America's homicide rate, a rate which has been declining for decades and is near historical lows.

but yes, i was speaking to the global average which has seen an unprecedented decline in violence both within and between nation-states. Steven Pinker has spoken and written extensively on the topic if you care to look into it.

[Andalusian girls]

pretty sure one of ISIS's expressed purposes is to build an Islamic world. Seclusion wouldn't help much

this x20000. are any still unaware Daesh is the most explicitly expansionist nation-state since World War 2 or that they are now the world's leading exporter in terrorism? washing our hands and walking away is not a feasible scenario, indeed that hands off approach is the proximate cause of ISIS's rise as our non-engagement in the Syrian Civil War and our total withdrawal from Iraq in 2011 opened a power vacuum these fanatics quickly filled.

i understand an interventionist foreign policy has been tainted for a generation by Bush's idiotic and elective war but there is a sweet cookie baking temperature spot between invading, overthrowing, and occupying the nations we dislike, and covering our eyes with our hands and singing la la la can't see.

[Gokku]

i just wish we could just leave them behind tech / life wise and let the world progress. the issue current day is the tech available to them (isis) is modern enough to pose a threat to large parts of the world.

[BaneTheBrawler]

i just wish we could just leave them behind tech / life wise and let the world progress. the issue current day is the tech available to them (isis) is modern enough to pose a threat to large parts of the world.

[Inshiya]

this x20000. are any still unaware Daesh is the most explicitly expansionist nation-state since World War 2 or that they are now the world's leading exporter in terrorism? washing our hands and walking away is not a feasible scenario, indeed that hands off approach is the proximate cause of ISIS's rise as our non-engagement in the Syrian Civil War and our total withdrawal from Iraq in 2011 opened a power vacuum these fanatics quickly filled.

i understand an interventionist foreign policy has been tainted for a generation by Bush's idiotic and elective war but there is a sweet cookie baking temperature spot between invading, overthrowing, and occupying the nations we dislike, and covering our eyes with our hands and singing la la la can't see.

I'm just not sure what that "sweet spot" is. We've literally been bombing and adding logistics/tactical support to fight ISIS to the maximum extent possible without an actual invasion.

People keep acting like we're sitting here sucking our own dicks, when we're actually doing a lot.

[Kyreth]

Islamic terrorism at this point is a religious herpes virus.

The best you can do is treat it and minimize the flareups, but it'll never go away, hiding in viral reservoirs of tolerance.

[Andalusian girls]

I'm just not sure what that "sweet spot" is. We've literally been bombing and adding logistics/tactical support to fight ISIS to the maximum extent possible without an actual invasion.

People keep acting like we're sitting here sucking our own dicks, when we're actually doing a lot.

the maximum extent possible is a wee bit of a tremendous overstatement but your point is valid. the U.S. has (belatedly) taken the lead on combating ISIS and the results from even our limited engagement are telling. Daesh's territory is crumbling in Iraq and their finances are calamitous as war plunder dries up and their oil revenues dissipate under a sustained bombing campaign and an international embargo. this did not get much play in the media because of Orlando and Donald Trump and Brexit but the Iraqi army recently scored their largest (and most unexpected) victory of the war by retaking Fallujah, the first major Iraqi city to fall to ISIS and the birthplace of its spiritual predecessor Al-Qaeda in Iraq.

The Islamic State flag flying over Iraq's Fallujah is in tatters and its fighters are all dead or gone leaving behind a broken city of bomb-rigged schools, burned out human cages, and empty streets.

Only scattered signs of ISIS's self-declared 'caliphate' remain in Fallujah, a city west of Baghdad which was seized by anti-government fighters in early 2014 and later became a key jihadist stronghold.

Iraqi forces declared Fallujah fully liberated on Sunday, after government troops routed the remaining ISIS fighters from the city's north and west under the close cover of US-led coalition airstrikes.

The battle, which began May 22, was the latest in a string of territorial defeats for ISIS in Iraq over the past year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Fallujah.html

the Obama administration still has no apparent strategy for dealing with them in Syria, or Syria in general, but it's hard to argue with the results of our support for the governments in Baghdad and Erbil. it is difficult to countenance the horrors of what Kurdistan and Shia Iraq would look like now had the United States said sorry chums you're on your own and allowed the country to disintegrate.

[Ezek]

It didn't even make it a month between attacks =/

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No, it sure hasn't.

Baghdad car bombings by ISIS, death toll up to 200+ now. Someone get me a "I Survive Ramadan 2016" shirt.

[6souls]

Saudi Arabia hit within the past couple hours.

[6souls]

4 attacks now. Medina, Qatif, & Jeddah. 2 in Qatif only the bomber died, Medina bomber killed 4 security personnel, not sure on the details for Jeddah.

[6souls]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36706761

Jeddah attack was near the US consulate. Only the bomber died in that attack.

[Roranora]

So the Ramadan Attacks thread has concluded for now. See you next installment

[Zetanio]

Stay tuned next week for more jihadist nightmares on Mecca Blows Z.

[6souls]

Bangladesh hit again, 3 dead and 14 wounded.