Local Elections

[Milkster]

Dem's making everything about race is a big problem. Even if it is true, pointing to it every waking fucking day and making every topic about it will only turn off white Americans, even if they agree. You can only be shoved into a box and called racist so many times a day before you stop giving a fuck.

A lot of times people yell racism, it is more of a classism issue. If you focus the topic to that point, you will most likely help those in that class figure out who the real bad guy is. The second you start to break up that lower-class group into race, you will start to lose some of those people. Just focus on the poor, and you will end up helping everyone that needs help.

Racism and classism are heavily intertwined in a capitalistic society. You’d have to convince poor whites that helping black and brown people also helps them. They will strongly vote against it.

Literally this tactic has been used since Slavery. You’re not about to just fix it by ignoring one facet of the problem to focus on the other my guy. It must be so hard for white people to acknowledge the suffering of black and brown people and their lived experiences.

Might as well tell women that them pointing out sexism turns men off from wanting to help them.

[Day]

who said ignore it boss, miles and miles of room between ignoring racism and making every single thing about it, demonizing people who probably arent even racist, instead or convincing them or trying to win over some of the electorate

[Milkster]

Everyone has inherent racial bias due to societal and familial influence, being anti-racist is acknowledging those things and how they're problematic and working to be better not ignoring the advice or doubling down even harder.

Like being a white person and constantly using the n word and having multiple black people tell you why you shouldn't yet you double down with your usage of it.

[Day]

I am mildly anti racist

[Day]

I dont demonize people of color anymore than you do white women, we are basically the same person when you really think about it

[NynJa]

Yes, we get it, every time something doesnt go your way its systematic racism holding the black community down, blah blah blah

[Meresgi]

who said ignore it boss, miles and miles of room between ignoring racism and making every single thing about it, demonizing people who probably arent even racist, instead or convincing them or trying to win over some of the electorate

Racism is a huge issue but the way we approach at times is just ostracizing people and giving the right tons of fuel. It's a fine line for sure though, because a lot of these racist fucks like Carlson and Crowder are good at playing the victim and "ooooh woe is me, I never said the N-word. I just implied that black people can't do anything besides manual labor"

Do I have a suggestion for how to do it better and not alienate a ton of people on the right? Not really because I think it's way too far gone at this point. It's been weaponized by OAN/Fox News and shit to make it seem that any time we even address underlying issues with minorities it's a straight up "DEATH TO THE WHITES" and they dog whistle like crazy. People eat it up, and half those people are not inherently racist but they honestly don't know better.

I came from a small upstate NY town, literally 99% white besides some inner city kids and exchange students for the local college. Had I stayed up there i'd probably have been just like the people there. More right leaning then left and suspicious of anyone with any sort of complexion beyond mayo

[arus2001]

Sounds like next time progressives should shoot for a 100T in things so maybe we can trick Manchin into 25T worth of goods so he'll come off as hard and compromising.

That said, last WV polling I could find shows 42% approval rating. I wouldn't call that great, but at the same time, feels like we never see anything over 60% anymore when polling both sides.

[Yabby]

Racism and classism are heavily intertwined in a capitalistic society. You’d have to convince poor whites that helping black and brown people also helps them.

No, you don't, that is my point. You don't have to convince the poor whites that helping black people also helps them. You don't even have to point out it will help black people in general. You should focus on showing them that it helps THEM. Don't even talk about how it helps others, it helps THEM. Yes, it will also help black and brown people, but you don't even have to bring that up. That is why all these poor-ass red states stay red because we keep talking about how things will help people of color. Just say it will help the poor, and leave it there.

This is a self-inflicting wound.

[Milkster]

No, you don't, that is my point. You don't have to convince the poor whites that helping black people also helps them. You don't even have to point out it will help black people in general. You should focus on showing them that it helps THEM. Don't even talk about how it helps others, it helps THEM. Yes, it will also help black and brown people, but you don't even have to bring that up. That is why all these poor-ass red states stay red because we keep talking about how things will help people of color. Just say it will help the poor, and leave it there.

This is a self-inflicting wound.

But that's a handout and socialism and thus liberalism and inherently bad. Literally more white people benefit from ACA and welfare than any other group and even when that fact is slammed in their face they don't care and will vote against their own self-interest because it helps black and brown people.

[Day]

I don't think you understand the white peoples lived experience enough to be commenting on the reason they vote a certain way, not everything is about you

[Yabby]

We don't slam that fact in their face, that is why Dem's always lose later. They hide their wins and then go on moral crusades about how they help PoC's. That is all I ever heard on MSNBC, etc is how bad PoC's have it.

[Meresgi]

But that's a handout and socialism and thus liberalism and inherently bad. Literally more white people benefit from ACA and welfare than any other group and even when that fact is slammed in their face they don't care and will vote against their own self-interest because it helps black and brown people.

It's not properly presented to them though in A LOT of ways. Left looks down on "hillbillies voting against their interests" and it's fucking true, they are dumb as fuck for doing it but the left never wants to actually sit down with them too often. Shit, Clinton wouldn't even go talk to some of the miners and shit because they figured it was a waste of time, and it probably was...but at least make SOME effort.

Also the left just assumes all minorities are going to vote for them without ever doing the work for anyone of color either. It's a broken record though lol

Progressives don't have enough power and never will. The moderate left don't want anything to change and are fine with having the GoP take power here and there because it means they'll be back in office in at least 4-8yrs and raking in that donor cash. We can't even agree to tax billionaires at this point

[Milkster]

Then that’s what you hear but you also need to realize that the indoctrination is so deep that these individuals will fight 1) anything perceived as socialism or a handout because it will only go to “lazy people” 2) anything presented by anyone with a D next to their name.

If you didn’t see any of the human pieces about why republicans vote against their self interest articles don’t know what to tell you. That’s all there were for months to years after trump won.

[arus2001]

Being surrounded by a lot of poor white people (multiple trailer parks, shitty town in general), I'm somewhat inclined to lean toward Milkster's interpretation. Even if you don't mention the benefits to other races, the narrative instead shifts to fearmongering about welfare queens and other bootstraps rhetoric. Then not long after, they'll be complaining about how they can't pay for a car repair, doctor's bills, and so on. So, while they'll naturally get uppity when you tell them they're consistently voting against their own self-interests, that's what they continue to do while deluding themselves into believing the GOP is the party that cares about family, personal freedoms, and so on when their policies continuously dictate otherwise.

It's why I argue taking the middling, centrist approach, if that, isn't enough. They need to be hit by a giant fucking sledgehammer of aid and support to realize all these "bad things" they spent years/decades not wanting actually aren't bad. The GOP trying to weasel their way into credit is something we can worry about after the fact.

[Byrthnoth]

lol these democrats are in disarray

[Koul]

lol these democrats are in disarray

of course they are because they have no sense of introspection. Not that republicans do either but they sort of don't need to since they always have an easy counter-argument against Dems dipshit talking points or how they handle culture war shit.

[synistar]

The Dems also have a wider incohesive caucus (Socialist left to the center/right of center blue dogs) vs the Repubs which bend the knee to leadership and haven't compromised their position as vocally since the McCain thumbs down moment.

The fact that Liz Cheney is going to likely face a primary fight because she's on the select committee for January 6th shows how cohesive the Republican ranks are compared to the Dems. Good luck to the Dems trying to whip up votes for both bills because the house progressives feel like they gave up so much already and everyone knows the window for a big Dem legislative win is closing with the inevitable loss of Dem control of the House in 2022.

[AoE]

https://twitter.com/JimmyVielkind/st...st1OQXWkg&s=19

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/g...fd8e6e227.html

The Erie County Board of Elections dismissed a team of poll workers Tuesday after receiving an allegation of a ballot that was prestamped for Mayor Byron W. Brown on Buffalo's West Side.

And while the Erie County District Attorney's Office is investigating the matter, a county elections commissioner and both the Brown and India Walton campaigns say there is no evidence of widespread fraud or irregularities in the hotly contested race.

Still, Mohr said elections inspectors at the Belle Center on Maryland Street erred in allowing stamps created for Brown's write-in campaign to be placed at the check-in tables of the polling place.

[archibaldcrane]

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/stat...QvcIcYlHQ&s=19