2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[kuronosan]

Is ID being required for a marriage certificate the reason black families are falling apart?

Seriously?

[Aerin]

Someone should forward that to the Trump campaign so he can mention it during the debates. I'd also love to see his surrogates try to defend that one.

[Fiye]

Trump is going to do very well in the debate. He has Roger Ailes backing him.

You know, the guy who helped Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and H.W. Bush? Man those names sound presidential.

[Xantavia]

It's not racist so much as it is socially ignorant. The underserved/under-represented minorities are the least likely to be able to afford the time or be able to travel to the place in order to get an ID. The most responsible approach would be to mandate issuance of a voter ID to every eligible citizen instead of "citizens who get a driver's license".

Not every citizen drives to work (Cream uses a bike, for example) and not every citizen has the education or background to know where to get an ID.

So yes, while not explicitly racist in its goals... asking for someone to go register for a voter's ID is tantamount to saying "Rich, educated white folks only".

The problem with poor people is seldom poverty and more often education and opportunity. Everyone is poor at some point. You're more likely to be poor if you're a minority. You're also more likely to live in an area with other poor people in, you guessed it, underfunded school districts. Lack of education = lack of opportunity. Lack of skill = lack of opportunity. Do the math.

Seems much simpler to me. They wait until the last minute to try and pass these laws (instead of passing them to take effect 2 years from now), then either shut down or drastically reduce operating hours of DMVs that are located in and around minority neighborhoods.

And not a single peep out of them when it comes to verifying identity of absentee ballots. You know, the way would be much easier to commit voter fraud in large numbers compared to in person voting. I think several states wouldn't except ID from state colleges, but a hunting license was totally kosher.

[Krandor]

The amount of importance on this first debate is so massive.

Can Hillary stand up for 90 minutes without dying or going into seizures?

Can Trump act like a civilized human being for 90 minutes AND make truthful, valid statements?

Find out next time on Dragonball Z

[BaneTheBrawler]

but there hasn't been 18 episodes of the candidates screaming to increase their power



wait

[Krandor]

What, you've never seen a Trump rally?

[Byrthnoth]

Find out next time on Dragonball Z

Debate Start

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Debate End

Narrator: Does Trump really make America great again, or will Hillary Clinton save the earth from certain destruction? Find out next time in Debate Hall Z!

[archibaldcrane]

Don't look now, but Hilldog is on a bit of an upswing. Back over 60% on the strength of an AP national poll+6, on the verge of retaking Florida and Nevada.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/

[Ksandra]

Seems much simpler to me. They wait until the last minute to try and pass these laws (instead of passing them to take effect 2 years from now), then either shut down or drastically reduce operating hours of DMVs that are located in and around minority neighborhoods.

And not a single peep out of them when it comes to verifying identity of absentee ballots. You know, the way would be much easier to commit voter fraud in large numbers compared to in person voting. I think several states wouldn't except ID from state colleges, but a hunting license was totally kosher.

I wanted to highlight one of your statements that people often forget.

Too often in poor minority neighborhoods the DMV is opened like once a month, and many can't take the day off to go get it.

There really is two levels to this. It's 1. Classist, as most poor people cannot get to the DMV to get it. It's 2. Racist because you'll find that poor POC neighborhoods are even less likely to be able to access it than poor white neighborhoods.

[Byrthnoth]

I showed up to my DMV at 7:15 (opens at 8) on a Wednesday and was fourth in line. This is after trying to drop by for the 5 hours they're open on the weekend and finding a line around the building in 95F+ heat.

[kisada]

standard

[Fiye]

Don't look now, but Hilldog is on a bit of an upswing. Back over 60% on the strength of an AP national poll+6, on the verge of retaking Florida and Nevada.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...y-exaggerated/

[archibaldcrane]

Hey she's picked up another 1.5% since that article.

[Gredival]

Um, as a huge Bernie supporter I resent that logic. It's silly to think that if Bernie lost the general people would blame anyone but Bernie.

If Bernie even managed to secure a major nomination and lose the general to someone like Trump, it'd be nobody's fault but his.

You apparently have been asleep comrade.

Let me get you up to date. Anything bad is Hillary's fault. If Hillary loses, Hillary's fault. If Bernie loses, Hillary's fault.

You may substitute "the establishment" for "Hillary" as they are one in the same.

lol well they only have themselves to blame if she doesn't. There's no other way to spin this.

See above. If she loses, it's Hillary's fault for not EARNING their vote. You can't just be better than the alternative, you have to actually be good.

For example, $12 minimum wage is not good enough because it's not $15. But this only applies if your name is Hillary. If it's Gary, then $0 is good enough.

[Tyche]

Voter ID laws probably help Dems far more than the GOP. The amount of pissed off that liberals get from states adopting theaws sends more voters to the polls than the law prevents from hitting the polls.

[Tyche]

Also, just started listening in to Keepin it 1600 podcast. Obama's old speech writer Jon Favreu hosts it. It's amazing.

[archibaldcrane]

It's great, but they get a bit smug sometimes.

[Tyche]

All the time...

[ringthree]

I will literally never understand how voter ID is racist. The day I found out people were actually allowed to vote without ID I just couldn't fathom that such a thing was possible.

Not everyone can afford an ID or has easy access to getting one. And not all ID laws are the made the same.