2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[BerenTebogo]

Straight up: This election cycle has reminded me of all the things I've hated about Hillary for the last 20~ years, and I find her a repugnant personality. I find her politics abhorrent.

With that said, I'm voting for her without a second's hesitation, because in every metric by which I find Hillary lacking, Donald is not only worse, but proudly, gleefully worse. Hillary's policies and mine clash on a fundamental level so extreme that there's likely no real reconciliation between the two, but I've little doubt she comes by them as honestly as she is able. But while I believe that her policies are destroying the very people she wants to lift up, Donald isn't trying to lift anyone up-- he's fleecing the poor for as much as he can, and he's *PROUD* of it. He *BRAGS* about it.

Hillary is, perhaps, mildly in bed with Wall Street-- she has more endorsements from major Fortune 500 companies than Donald has-- but really, that's not proof of anything. If nothing else, even the most strident Hillary-hater has to concede that playing the game of, "I can't give you this, because I promised it to him, but I'll give you that even though he really wants me not to" while all-the-while doing exactly what she wants is the easiest thing in the world. She has so many supporters of so many different viewpoints and perspectives and political leanings (including Buffet and Gates), that access doesn't give you pull; at best, it gives you the opportunity to present information she hasn't had yet, but as long as she's been in the game, and as solidly left-ward as her politics have been for 35 years, you're willfully delusional if you think she pushes policy anywhere except where *SHE* thinks is best.

Donald, we know, doesn't care about what's best, except what's best for The Donald. He'll buy the bank that holds the mortgage on your home, and then foreclose the second you're late if it would give him a mild chuckle, and then he'll run the business you work for into the ground, pay the fines for illegal practices from his "charity", fleece other charities to foot *that* bill, and then use what's left to bribe the DA not to prosecute. *AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE KNOWN*. This isn't guesswork-- *THIS IS WHAT HE DOES*.

There is literally, in no objective view of reality, any possible situation in which Donald Trump is not *even more* of an insider than Hillary. There is literally, in no objective view of reality, any possible situation in which Donald Trump is not *even more* beholden to the greed of Wall Street than Hillary. There is no possible viewpoint which holds him as less corrupt, as less violent, as less self-serving, as less dishonest, as less power-hungry, as less hateful, as less destructive, or as more qualified than Hillary. Literally the only possible case that anyone could make is the Supreme Court, and as someone who would like a moderate, olde-timey-Constitutionalist court (rather than Warren-Court styled-activists), even that's no where near enough to even give me pause in unquestioningly supporting Hillary over Trump. And I am still proud of my two Bush votes, of my McCain vote, and of my Romney vote.

I honestly cannot fathom how anyone to the left of me-- or most people to the right of me-- is not enthusiastically behind Hillary. The *ONLY* possible metric in which Trump is preferable is the one area where almost everyone to the left of me sees that as arguably the biggest reason *TO* support her.

My mind is utterly blown that Gred should still have to be trying to coddle your delicate sensibilities.

I like this post a lot.

[Quicklet]

They gain far more from a Democratic win than a Republican one.

If Hillary wins the next 4-8 years will be how and why she's destroying the fabric of our nation in all the ways no one else will tell you.

Their demographic is fear-based and the Clinton family has been their biggest boogeyman for 20 years.

This is true, but it's bigger than having a Democratic president to rail against. O'Reilly will likely be retiring. Hannity will probably jump ship to Trump TV if he isn't outright fired. They desperately need to keep Megyn Kelly whose contract is up for renewal soon. Their entire primetime lineup could be wiped out and they have to start thinking about drawing in younger audiences as their current demographic is literally dying off. Regardless of who wins in November, we'll probably be seeing a lot of shakeups at that network soon after.

[Aerin]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-med...e-polls-228836

fox news trying to meet standards for once? wtf? lol

My favorite part in that article is at the bottom where Hannity says, "I’m not a journalist, I’m a talk show host." Honestly the network should change its name to Fox Opinions, would be more accurate.

[Niiro]

This is true, but it's bigger than having a Democratic president to rail against. O'Reilly will likely be retiring. Hannity will probably jump ship to Trump TV if he isn't outright fired. They desperately need to keep Megyn Kelly whose contract is up for renewal soon. Their entire primetime lineup could be wiped out and they have to start thinking about drawing in younger audiences as their current demographic is literally dying off. Regardless of who wins in November, we'll probably be seeing a lot of shakeups at that network soon after.

Good points, I don't really keep up with the inner workings of the network (simply don't have the stomach for it).

Many of their problems unironically mirror the problems of the GOP in general, there were only so many white people born between 1940-1965.

[Tyche]

Speaking of Megyn Kelly, apparently after the debate, Hannity was interviewing Trump, and Megyn Kelly said "Maybe he will speak to the journalists in the room next."

[Twilight Sky]

I like how Donald tried to pin blame and drag people like Hannity down with him. lol

[Headspace]

Obama with the full guilt trip today.

Ain't gonna work. A vote for Johnson or Stein is a vote for Johnson or Stein. Not Trump.


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[Gredival]

Obama with the full guilt trip today.

Ain't gonna work. A vote for Johnson or Stein is a vote for Johnson or Stein. Not Trump.


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I feel like I should respond because even though you're trolling, your trolls still represent like 2-3 posters here. But I'll wait.

[kisada]

wait and see how many fall into the web

[thetruepandagod]

A vote for Hillary is a vote for saudi arabia. Is that how this works?

[Anoat]

At least you can sue them now for 9/11!

[thetruepandagod]

At least you can sue them now for 9/11!

except you cant
http://nypost.com/2016/09/23/obama-v...-saudi-arabia/

[BerenTebogo]

except you cant
http://nypost.com/2016/09/23/obama-v...-saudi-arabia/

We just need to conduct a suance

[Melena]

except you cant
http://nypost.com/2016/09/23/obama-v...-saudi-arabia/

Senate already voted to overturn the veto. Just waiting on the house which is expected to overturn it as well.

[archibaldcrane]

except you cant
http://nypost.com/2016/09/23/obama-v...-saudi-arabia/

Except you can

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-po...071325323.html
Congress overrides Obama's 9/11 bill veto, families of victims free to sue Saudi Arabia

[Fiye]

[thetruepandagod]

Except you can

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-po...071325323.html
Congress overrides Obama's 9/11 bill veto, families of victims free to sue Saudi Arabia

Nice

[Aerin]

I still want to know what the hell suing them would accomplish

[Inshiya]

Nothing.

But hey, allegedly the bill opens up the U.S. to suits from citizens of other nations for us drone striking them and other fun stuff! (Haven't read the bill, so can't confirm yet).

[Deftscythe]

My favorite part in that article is at the bottom where Hannity says, "I’m not a journalist, I’m a talk show host." Honestly the network should change its name to Fox Opinions, would be more accurate.

This has been the excuse of the network as a whole whenever they get caught making shit up. "Why should we be held to a standard of journalistic ethics? We're just entertainers! Now stay tuned for all the scary facts you need to know here on Fox News."