2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[Krandor]

That sounds like the perfect excuse to call for a rigged election.

[6souls]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37177938

UKIP/Brexit's Nigel Farage to speak at a Trump rally in Jackson, MS about how similar Trump's campaign is to Brexit.

[Gryffes]

As much as I don't think the issues are similar - the voting demographics are very similar.

Trump wins with older voters, Clinton wins with younger voters - but has an abject lack of enthusiasm, while the exit voters ( trump voters ) are very enthusiastic.
The more "hillarys won lol" stuff we see online before the election - the lower youth turnout will be.

[Gredival]

Some of you seem a little bothered by the media making vague connections and alot of assumptions that make a candidate look bad. Not that that makes you kind of a hypocrite or anything.

Didn't know quoting verbatim was unfairly making Bernie or Trump look bad.

[kisada]

i'm not sure how one can equate the things stretch about hillary with the things stretch about donald trump. clearly things fly way off the handle with regards to what hillary seems to have done vs what she has actually done.

with trump there is very little exaggeration because cause the incendiary shit he says and does are actual happenings.

[archibaldcrane]

It's the difference between saying "Trump praises dictators and strongmen like Vladimir Putin" and "Trump is an unwitting Russian sleeper agent!"

One is a sober presentation of damning facts, the other is a "Hillary is corrupt because she met with some donors to the Clinton Foundation"-level reach.

[archibaldcrane]

Ipsos just backed up a dump truck full of state polls to the proceedings.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ecast/updates/

Better numbers for Trump relatively speaking - Hillary +1 in Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania chief among them, and also a weird Hillary+5 in Missouri. Also Hillary with strong +7s in Florida and Ohio. 20 states or so in total.

[Gredival]

It's pretty clear that the Clintons don't really care about optics. They realized a long time ago that no matter how mundane something is, some element of the media will attempt to crucify them for it (Whitewater, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Benghazi, email server, The Clinton Foundation) so they basically shun the media and do what they think is best. Then the perceived secrecy means that the media becomes convinced they are hiding nefarious things, the Clintons fail to keep things hidden eventually, and then the media reports on the weakest bullshit non-smoke-much-less-fire they can find.

You forgot how being assigned to defend an accused rapist as a public defender and winning the case makes you morally bankrupt. Even though you try to recuse yourself. And even though it's ethically impermissible to throw a case just because you don't like the client.

[archibaldcrane]

It's funny how "Bill Clinton may well have raped someone" is like 15th on the list of possible scandals.

[Sho]

Trump reversing on immigration is gonna be no bueno to his racist supporters.

Ann Coulter the maddest. If it matters, she just wrote a book called In Trump We Trust.

[Dimmauk]

Trump reversing on immigration is gonna be no bueno to his racist supporters.

Ann Coulter the maddest. If it matters, she just wrote a book called In Trump We Trust.

The day her book came out, Trump says he would soften his stance on immigration during a speech in Austin. LOL

[kisada]

for real though i'd write a book saying 3 times the crazy she spouts if i could make even a tenth of what she makes

[kisada]

Ipsos just backed up a dump truck full of state polls to the proceedings.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ecast/updates/

Better numbers for Trump relatively speaking - Hillary +1 in Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania chief among them, and also a weird Hillary+5 in Missouri. Also Hillary with strong +7s in Florida and Ohio. 20 states or so in total.

isn't that a little troubling? I thought michigan and pennsylvania were bigger leads than +1. did i get that wrong?

i mean besides the beastly leads in florida/ohio

[Quicklet]

isn't that a little troubling? I thought michigan and pennsylvania were bigger leads than +1. did i get that wrong?

i mean besides the beastly leads in florida/ohio

Honestly hard to tell. Right now I'd treat some of these as outliers until more polls show up to confirm / refute them. Some of these polling numbers are bizarre, like Trump only up by 5 in Arkansas and 7 in Montana, places Romney won by double digits in 2012.

[archibaldcrane]

Hilldog does have roots in Arkansas, and Obama actually got close in Montana in 08 with zero campaigning.

[Olo401]

isn't that a little troubling? I thought michigan and pennsylvania were bigger leads than +1. did i get that wrong?

i mean besides the beastly leads in florida/ohio

Honestly hard to tell. Right now I'd treat some of these as outliers until more polls show up to confirm / refute them. Some of these polling numbers are bizarre, like Trump only up by 5 in Arkansas and 7 in Montana, places Romney won by double digits in 2012.

Some of them do seem strange. They have WI, MI and NH all within 1-2 points, Ohio C+7 while PA is only +1 which is hella incosistent, and T leading in Maine? It almost seems like their error correcting or sample sizes are off.

[kisada]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...k-trump-227404

searing ad

[Quicklet]

Trump giving a speech in NH soon, expected to address the new ad.

Hillary scheduled to give her alt right speech at at 2:30PM EDT.

[6souls]

http://www.citypages.com/news/republ...x-it/391288881

Trump isn't on the official MN ballot because the local Rep Party forgot to include him.

[archibaldcrane]

http://www.citypages.com/news/republ...x-it/391288881

Trump isn't on the official MN ballot because the local Rep Party forgot to include him.

He got on the ballot today, major party candidates deadline is next Monday.